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Pantamalion

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Is the ability to be shaped by singing exclusive to Seren/"light" crystals or could Zarosian crystals be manipulated in the same way? (for instance could and elf sing the Shard of Zaros into something)

27-Mar-2018 06:25:10

Tauwaru
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My theory is that the two types of crystal are really the same thing, but Seren crystal is shaped via song as it is grown from Seren's body and the crystal seeds she provided.

Zarosian crystal, on the other hand, is almost nonexistant except for the Shard of Zaros and Zaros himself. If the two types had similar shaping properties... then it's reasonable to say Azzy wouldn't be singing to get a new sword or staff, so it'd probably be spell-shaped, maybe being infused with shadow energy?

27-Mar-2018 07:01:09

Hguoh
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Tauwaru said:
My theory is that the two types of crystal are really the same thing


Sort of. We know that both are created from pure elder god magic. Seren is created from light aligned elder god magic, while Zaros is created from dark aligned god magic. How much this difference in alignment affects their physical properties remains unclear.

Tauwaru said:
but Seren crystal is shaped via song as it is grown from Seren's body and the crystal seeds she provided.


Provided in the sense that she blew up into millions of crystal shards sure.

Tauwaru said:
Zarosian crystal, on the other hand, is almost nonexistant except for the Shard of Zaros and Zaros himself.


The Empty Throne Room in the Digsite has a few activities you can train skills with. They center around harvesting and purifying 'Senntisten Crystal.' Make of it what you may, but I don't recall seeing such crystal formations before Zaros's death in the 2nd age (the flashback in Children of Mah). This suggests that these might have grown from the remains of Zaros's body after his 'death.'

There are also a few crystal fixtures seen in the 2nd age throne room, suggesting that they might have utilized Zarosian crystals (be they ones from his body or those he infused with his own power). We know Nex has a piece of Zaros's crystal body within her, granting her sentience and making her utterly loyal to Zaros. Finally, the design of the Zaryte Bow suggests strongly that it too is made of Zarosian crystal due to the number of similarities it has with the Crystal Bows.

27-Mar-2018 12:22:33

Tauwaru
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Hguoh said:
Tauwaru said:
My theory is that the two types of crystal are really the same thing


Sort of. We know that both are created from pure elder god magic. Seren is created from light aligned elder god magic, while Zaros is created from dark aligned god magic. How much this difference in alignment affects their physical properties remains unclear.

Tauwaru said:
but Seren crystal is shaped via song as it is grown from Seren's body and the crystal seeds she provided.


Provided in the sense that she blew up into millions of crystal shards sure.

Tauwaru said:
Zarosian crystal, on the other hand, is almost nonexistant except for the Shard of Zaros and Zaros himself.


The Empty Throne Room in the Digsite has a few activities you can train skills with. They center around harvesting and purifying 'Senntisten Crystal.' Make of it what you may, but I don't recall seeing such crystal formations before Zaros's death in the 2nd age (the flashback in Children of Mah). This suggests that these might have grown from the remains of Zaros's body after his 'death.'

There are also a few crystal fixtures seen in the 2nd age throne room, suggesting that they might have utilized Zarosian crystals (be they ones from his body or those he infused with his own power). We know Nex has a piece of Zaros's crystal body within her, granting her sentience and making her utterly loyal to Zaros. Finally, the design of the Zaryte Bow suggests strongly that it too is made of Zarosian crystal due to the number of similarities it has with the Crystal Bows.



Ok the Zaryte Bow, while it COULD have Zarosian Shards stuck in it somewhere, i don't know. Also, if the crystals in Senntisten were from Zaros' death, when he seemed to just evapourate into nothing, almost like he just dissolved into the shadow realm or something, so i'm not sure(cont)

27-Mar-2018 16:46:46

Tauwaru
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(Cont) how any remains of his body could be there, unless it is literally just crystallised power or similar.

But to remain to the original post's question, I doubt Zarosian crystal can be 'sung' per se, as that trait is found throughout all serenist and elven culture, while Zarosian culture has no mention of singing, we don't even know if Seren herself gave the elves power to sing crystal into shape, or if she changed the atomic makeup or something of her own body so that shards from it could be sung into shape.

27-Mar-2018 16:48:36

Pantamalion

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Tauwaru said:
(Cont) how any remains of his body could be there, unless it is literally just crystallised power or similar.

But to remain to the original post's question, I doubt Zarosian crystal can be 'sung' per se, as that trait is found throughout all serenist and elven culture, while Zarosian culture has no mention of singing, we don't even know if Seren herself gave the elves power to sing crystal into shape, or if she changed the atomic makeup or something of her own body so that shards from it could be sung into shape.
Zaros/Zarosians aren't really the singing types though so I feel like its possible that it can be sung but no one prominent has tried it. The singing seems to be related to the crystals resonating (like a wine glass) which I feel is just a property of crystals in general.

28-Mar-2018 09:02:32

Hguoh
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Pantamalion said:
Zaros/Zarosians aren't really the singing types though so I feel like its possible that it can be sung but no one prominent has tried it. The singing seems to be related to the crystals resonating (like a wine glass) which I feel is just a property of crystals in general.


In that case, the issue would become identifying the proper frequencies to resonate the crystals and generate the desired growth. Given that Zaros and Seren's crystals are composed of elder god magic of opposing elements, it seems unlikely that the same frequencies and techniques used for Seren's crystals would work on Zaros's.

And, of course, finding a source one could use to harvest Zaros-based crystals suitable for such singing.

28-Mar-2018 16:53:59

Elf of Seren
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Hguoh, are you saying that its inherent to the Elders, because I always thought crystals were Mah's thing specifically, given their areas in the Freneskae volcano. (I'm nitpicking, but I thought worth asking what you were leaning into)

31-Mar-2018 05:34:48

Sodden Hound
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^ Given that Anima in general crystallizes, as did Guthix's divine energy in the BoL, I think it's safe to assume that all divine energy is crystal in solid form, not just Mah's. Mods pls notice me

31-Mar-2018 05:51:19

Hguoh
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Elf of Seren said:
Hguoh, are you saying that its inherent to the Elders, because I always thought crystals were Mah's thing specifically, given their areas in the Freneskae volcano. (I'm nitpicking, but I thought worth asking what you were leaning into)


The crystals on Mah's core indicates that the other elders share the trait. I also recall Seren or Zaros stating that pure elder god magic manifests as crystal, but I confess that I can't seem to find the quote.

Sodden Hound said:
^ Given that Anima in general crystallizes, as did Guthix's divine energy in the BoL, I think it's safe to assume that all divine energy is crystal in solid form, not just Mah's.


Of course crystals can arise from things other than the elders. It's just a defining trait of elder god magic that it be crystal.

31-Mar-2018 10:28:01

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