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Mini JIT
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^ He don't have the levels to get into the warriors guild that's why I left it out but I think there is no harm in adding it to the shop stock in Burnthorp like the other lower level items.

It was like when spider was level 50 and mystic was level 30 and there was no way to get into magic guild at level 30 to be able to buy it (before they added mystic cloth into the game). Later they swapped it around.

16-Jan-2020 15:36:41

Rikornak
Oct Member 2013

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Mini JIT said:
^ He don't have the levels to get into the warriors guild that's why I left it out but I think there is no harm in adding it to the shop stock in Burnthorp like the other lower level items.

It was like when spider was level 50 and mystic was level 30 and there was no way to get into magic guild at level 30 to be able to buy it (before they added mystic cloth into the game). Later they swapped it around.


I haven't checked for OPs levels, but I think it might help to list the available options (so there would be multiple available paths, with the haunted mine certainly being the easiest).

If you're refering to the gnomekeeper store - it's gone ever since the decluttering. But I actually wonder why there isn't a dedicated spear store out there. Might be something to add to the barbarians.

But as I said - it won't be the last time OP would be encountered with something trivial for regular players suddenly turning into something much more difficult for ironmen.
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16-Jan-2020 19:03:40 - Last edited on 16-Jan-2020 19:06:10 by Rikornak

ti ana
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Rikornak said:
a Failure said:
ti ana said:
hes complaining about quest requirements making it slightly harder for an ironman(whats suposed to be "hardmode";) to do somthing.
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OP needed a bronze spear for a clue scroll. Before the M&S updates, goblins dropped bronze spears so they were easy to get, even for low level players. The update made it harder for ironmen to get bronze spears, requiring several quests, 15 agility, and 35 crafting, much more complicated than an "easy" clue scroll should be, really.


It's not the sole example of something more complicated to come by as an ironman than it would be for normal accounts. Another good example would be the rune hatchet pre-rework for f2p ironmen - they were forced to smith them for themselves - all along the asinine level requirement.

But as others had said: There is a spear spawn in the abandoned mine - and you could buy one in the warrior's guild.

and thats the thing theres always going to be somthing thats easyer for a non ironman then an ironman. and if they "fix" that it would distroy the point of ironman mode.

that argument he made of adding it to the store. you might as well say they should let ironman trade low level items. the whole point is that you are not given stuff easy and you have to work to unlock and make or get things yourself.

soi just adding stores that sell everything you might need defents thew point.
if you want to make a spear do the things needed to do to make one or do the things needed to get acess to the the guild if your not willing too then ironman mode is clearly not for you.

18-Jan-2020 16:41:16

a Failure
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ti ana said:

and thats the thing theres always going to be somthing thats easyer for a non ironman then an ironman. and if they "fix" that it would distroy the point of ironman mode.
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For the most part, we agree on this. However, the update made it even harder and more complex for ironmen to get the bronze spear for the "easy" clue scroll. I don't think that was intended but was, rather, an oversight. I don't think anyone is asking to make things easier for ironmen. We're just asking to correct an oversight that made something that was previously (and is supposed to be) rather simple much, much more complicated.

18-Jan-2020 17:50:05

Immortalized
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i would support them altering the game so that lower level smith items still drop as items not salvage

i mean you kill a goblin irl and he's gonna drop the spear... not salvage

it's great they got a place to obtain one for free but it still requires priest in peril to get there

they should be able to exchange a lot of salvage for an item but at a horrible exchange rate just to make it fair as it was before

also this clue should be reworked if one of the items really requires that much effort. you shouldn't be able to just buy off another player and call it easy, it should be easy for everyone without other player interaction
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19-Jan-2020 00:18:14 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2020 00:18:58 by Immortalized

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