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Desi
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Desi

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[quote id=380-381-261-65740509-200-337863572][chocolate]There's so much I dislike in this dev blog. - It plays on the greed and dishonesty of players. A lot of players seem to think that with LSP and lootshare there will suddenly be more chance for them to get a fat drop. There is a lot of un-knowing in this thread. Decision making based on bad information is a true recipe for disaster. - It's another update aimed at bossing. There's far too much emphasis on bossing already. Let's focus first on silly things like getting rid of rwt/bots or improving the firemaking skill, please. - There is no current need for any lootshare system or LSP. If you have a few nice friends (or a nice clan) you can go bossing whenever you want. Over time, the rewards will even out for everyone. Why fix something that isn't broken? - The entire concept of LSP has proven to be faulty. Why would you even consider bringing that rotten system into this game? --LSP can be farmed so that it is no longer a fair deal at all. --With decaying LSP, after a big fat drop all you have to do is wait a while and your chances are back to normal... which seems unfair. --With decaying LSP, hardcore PVMers are pressured into bossing as long and hard as they can, to keep up the high LSP. Casual players will have reduced chances of getting any good drops. -- With non-decaying LSP, farming LSP is an almost certain road to success. You can get high LSP and go to corp with a mass and ... which seems unfair. -- In any form, LSP leads to manipulation and unfairness. Which is exactly opposite to what a lot of players in this thread expect 'lootshare' to do. - Coinshare has led to so much direct coin injection in the past. Why haven't you Jmods ruled it out for eternity? Now there's still players that hope for coinshare, and would gladly vote for it if it's ever polled. It's a faulty system that should never ever make it into this version of runescape. Unneeded, based on bad info in the [/quote]

02-Feb-2016 02:41:05

Desi
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Desi

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Lootshare is not needed at all. Coinshare has promise becuase it's the only system that is anti-scam based. Lootshare is just a waste of time, why would you team with people you don't trust?

02-Feb-2016 02:45:17

QuickSmoke
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QuickSmoke

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This guy above me is clearly autistic...

Coinshare will ruin the game
if you read the whole post you would of read that.

Stop trying to bring old crap that doesn't work nor did it in the beginning back to a game that is completely fine without it.

If you can't make a couple of trustworthy friends while bossing then don't ruin it for the rest of us.

02-Feb-2016 04:40:08

NumyG

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NumyG said:
I'd like to suggest a revised lootshare release:

First:
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Lootshare will be available across many worlds, but many worlds will be left non-LS to allow for FFA/solos

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Lootshare will be toggable on all LS worlds


Main Points:
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For Primary(split) drops, 2 modes: 1)LSP mode or 2)Coinshare or Shardshare

- > Currently Shardshare seems the favourite instead of CS and better alternative


- For Secondary drops, we will have 4 different modes for selection, all interchangeable in-game:
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1) LSP Mode
- Similar to historic LSP, but with revisions Jagex mention in DevBlog

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2) Damage Mode
- Drops are somewhat random, with higher hitters getting a better % roll chance(roll mechanic similar to LSP as described in DevBlog)

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3) Random Mode
- All secondary drops can be randomly received by equal chance by any team member

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4) Free For All Mode (FFA Mode)
- Pretty much like LS being turned 'off'. Max hit takes the drop. The difference with actually turning LS off is that if a team crashes, then first the "group" with max damage gets drop. Then player who hits max damage in this group will get the drop.


Thoughts on this?
If you have disagreements, then kindly state your alternative proposal.


Basically we will have options on primary and secondary drops. I believe this will address everyone's concerns.

02-Feb-2016 07:15:13

Soulsspark

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Finally lootshare/coinshare voting is on its way.

First of all, there are so many people here that have not read the -Draft- Dev blog. Luckily the mods have more than enough brains to not pay too much attention to those silly reactions.
The bots are handled very well, number of bots has been taken down insanely, people who say that is false don't know what they are talking about.

Lootshare with that potential seems pretty useless as some people have stated before. The idea that fits me the best is coinshare. I have a very high level account and good armour. My friends don't have that so bossing with them is not really an option. With a good coinshare (not money injection) that works just as if 1 person would sell it to the GE and everyone gets the split when the item is actually bought by someone else (could be 5% below GE price or 5% more depending on buyers).

So a good coinshare: Yes.

That will improve teamplaying (i'm sorry iron mans) . I would love to join a clan and do bossing and never have to worry about a scam.

I hope we get a 75% on a good coinshare or a good alternative :D

02-Feb-2016 15:21:13

bOb666777

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How about a decay that only happens if you haven't killed a boss in a while? That way you could keep killing corp and not worry about not getting a sigil in a long time, but there would still be decay.

02-Feb-2016 23:33:10

Trypt
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Trypt

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OMFG Jagex how many times did I make threads about this in EOC explaining to you the goddamn issue?

DO NOT USE LSP AT ALL

Give the drop to a random person in the FC with lootshare active. A RANDOM PERSON.

DO you know math? Why is LSP relevant? IT'S NOT. GET RID OF IT. Do you have any idea how annoying it is to have to like build freaking LSP to even be able to get drops in large groups? Just give it to a fkn random person that's the whole point

Goddamnit honestly

05-Feb-2016 18:10:53

Trypt
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Trypt

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DO NOT USE AN LSP SYSTEM.

Make it a group FFA system where damage is pooled and if one LS group has more damage than another that group gets it, and the drop is given to a random member of the winning LS group. And of course make coinshare

BUT DO NOT FREAKING DO LSP, others have already explained in detail why

I don't want to farm LSP, I don't want to go against people who have farmed LSP, it's ridiculous there's literally no point

With random distribution of drops the ratio of who gets what will asymptotically approach the expected value anyway. Don't disturb it with this LSP garbage which to be honest probably increases variance like you said in the front post, AND NOBODY WANTS INCREASED VARIANCE!

WE DON'T WANT INCREASED VARIANCE!

Make it a random winner, FFA setup.

05-Feb-2016 18:13:43

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