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Honor Wolf

Honor Wolf

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Dear Jagex,

Some six+ years ago I quit the game.

The reasons were numerous and undeniable:

1. Introduction of Solomon's General Store and effectively Pay to Win.
2. The introduction of Squeak's Wheel of Fortune (now Treasure Hunter)
3. A feeling of one's level 99 skills becoming less of an achievement after the introduction of level 120 skills (not to mention the obscene amount of experience points that must be required to gain level 120).

And I could keep going.

I became so disgrunted with the direction RuneScape was going that I eventually wound up donating several hundred million gold pieces to a fellow "ranked" player (I do hope you didn't ban her for gold suspicion of gold farming). I even wrote to the Jmods to dispose of something else. I was that certain I had quit permanently.

I am thus starting almost from scratch, and I've now managed to accumulate 14 million coins, as you now call them and gradually getting back up to speed. It has been an interesting journey, as so much has changed and I quite literally feel like a noob fresh out of Tutorial Island (thanks for the underwater Tutorial Island by the way). But the sense of novelty, of "newness" is refreshing and endearing.

I've now gone so far as to look up RuneScape on YouTube. And lo and behold! There was an actual documentary.

Within that documentary you touch upon pretty much all of the aspects that made me quit in the first place, and you describe how you've turned a new leaf and are returning your focus to the actual community. Your thorough explanations, and your ability to actually own up to the facts instead of just making it a documentary of self-praise are rethorically genious moves and you've won me over.

As a token of my appreciation and in the hope you'll carry on with this renewed spirit, I've just subscribed for a year.

Here's to the renewed spirit and more years of gaming to come.

*raises glass*
The joy of returning after a six-year hiatus; I'm a noob again! :D

25-Nov-2018 12:55:24 - Last edited on 25-Nov-2018 12:55:38 by Honor Wolf

Jaekob Caed
Apr Member 2011

Jaekob Caed

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Hey, welcome back! RS3 is still a fantastic game even with the microtransactions but I'll be honest, it's like they've started ignoring the things they said in the RS documentary, unfortunately. Microtransactions are more prevalent than ever, sadly. I'm not against microtransactions at all but not when they replace actual content which they have for the past year. I have hope that after RS3 Mobile launches, they'll get back to the proper content again, though.

But I don't mean to discourage you from playing. It makes me happy to see anyone returning to this awesome game! :)
~ Jacob, Prince of the Kingdom of Heaven ~
Join us at Rising Eminence, one of the most pleasant social clans in RS!

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27-Nov-2018 04:59:24

Turksta

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Jaekob Caed said:
Hey, welcome back! RS3 is still a fantastic game even with the microtransactions but I'll be honest, it's like they've started ignoring the things they said in the RS documentary, unfortunately. Microtransactions are more prevalent than ever, sadly. I'm not against microtransactions at all but not when they replace actual content which they have for the past year. I have hope that after RS3 Mobile launches, they'll get back to the proper content again, though.

But I don't mean to discourage you from playing. It makes me happy to see anyone returning to this awesome game! :)
Agreed.

27-Nov-2018 12:15:27

Honor Wolf

Honor Wolf

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Jaekob Caed said:
Hey, welcome back! RS3 is still a fantastic game even with the microtransactions but I'll be honest, it's like they've started ignoring the things they said in the RS documentary, unfortunately. Microtransactions are more prevalent than ever, sadly. I'm not against microtransactions at all but not when they replace actual content which they have for the past year. I have hope that after RS3 Mobile launches, they'll get back to the proper content again, though.

But I don't mean to discourage you from playing. It makes me happy to see anyone returning to this awesome game! :)


Thanks. =)

Whilst Microtransactions are indeed still a thing, then I do appreciate Jagex taking the time of day to at least explain their reasoning. With that being said I wholeheartedly agree that microtransactions and pay-2-win does not belong in any game. In this case, I will forgive Jagex their transgressions until such a time that they are hopefully able and willing to dispose of it.

I'm enjoying my time so far. =)
The joy of returning after a six-year hiatus; I'm a noob again! :D

27-Nov-2018 17:25:03

Jaekob Caed
Apr Member 2011

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Honor Wolf said:
Jaekob Caed said:
Hey, welcome back! RS3 is still a fantastic game even with the microtransactions but I'll be honest, it's like they've started ignoring the things they said in the RS documentary, unfortunately. Microtransactions are more prevalent than ever, sadly. I'm not against microtransactions at all but not when they replace actual content which they have for the past year. I have hope that after RS3 Mobile launches, they'll get back to the proper content again, though.

But I don't mean to discourage you from playing. It makes me happy to see anyone returning to this awesome game! :)


Thanks. =)

Whilst Microtransactions are indeed still a thing, then I do appreciate Jagex taking the time of day to at least explain their reasoning. With that being said I wholeheartedly agree that microtransactions and pay-2-win does not belong in any game. In this case, I will forgive Jagex their transgressions until such a time that they are hopefully able and willing to dispose of it.

I'm enjoying my time so far. =)


Well, to be fair, RS3's microtransactions still aren't P2W and there isn't anything wrong with microtransactions if they're not P2W, but yeah, I think I could be more forgiving towards them if they either cut down the microtransactions when they raised the membership cost OR keep the microtransactions as-is and never raised the membership cost. That, and I think that microtransactions have largely replaced real content this past year, which is unfortunate, as the real content that we did get was pretty solid stuff (such as Elite Dungeons).

Nevertheless, I'm glad to see anyone returning!
~ Jacob, Prince of the Kingdom of Heaven ~
Join us at Rising Eminence, one of the most pleasant social clans in RS!

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28-Nov-2018 22:59:26

Blackwing
Nov Member 2012

Blackwing

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Oh dear OP, it looks like you fell victim to Jagex's famous word trap. Yes, the documentary touches upon the difficult subjects instead of just praising themselves, but it doesn't mean anything when it comes to the game's current and future direction. Much like the other promises that the RS3 team has made across the past few years, the documentary is just that: words. By Jagex's own words, the MTX was supposed to allow for more and better updates to the game, but instead it has resulted into less and buggier updates than ever, with MTX promos being the most frequent updates. That trend has only kept getting worse with each passing year, because too many people keep apologizing for Jagex's poor behavior.

If you're thinking that Jagex is going to voluntarily give up its predatory MTX practices, you're sorely mistaken; only money matters when Jagex listens to your feedback, and by buying gold premier club, you've encouraged them to keep up said practices for another year.
"These ghastly beasts CAN be slain! They CAN be overcome!" -Borch Three Jackdaws

28-Nov-2018 23:18:35

Honor Wolf

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Jaekob Caed said:
Honor Wolf said:
Jaekob Caed said:
Hey, welcome back! RS3 is still a fantastic game even with the microtransactions but I'll be




Well, to be fair, RS3's microtransactions still aren't P2W and there isn't anything wrong with microtransactions if they're not P2W, but yeah, I think I could be more forgiving towards them if they either cut down the microtransactions when they raised the membership cost OR keep the microtransactions as-is and never raised the membership cost. That, and I think that microtransactions have largely replaced real content this past year, which is unfortunate, as the real content that we did get was pretty solid stuff (such as Elite Dungeons).

Nevertheless, I'm glad to see anyone returning!


Well, taking into consideration that you can purchase additional Treasure Keys, and those keys provide free experience, then I'd say it constitutes P2W.

I have no experience with this past year.

I am merely noting Jagex' concern for the playerbase and that they are looking to improve. The improvement and change is slow and gradual, and they will always have to take costs and profits into consideration before making a move. I am confident that they will, slowly and gradually move on to a more player-accepted approach.

I am of course, willing to eat my words, should future history prove me wrong. =)
The joy of returning after a six-year hiatus; I'm a noob again! :D

30-Nov-2018 15:58:15

Honor Wolf

Honor Wolf

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Blackwing said:
Oh dear OP, it looks like you fell victim to Jagex's famous word trap. Yes, the documentary touches upon the difficult subjects instead of just praising themselves, but it doesn't mean anything when it comes to the game's current and future direction. Much like the other promises that the RS3 team has made across the past few years, the documentary is just that: words. By Jagex's own words, the MTX was supposed to allow for more and better updates to the game, but instead it has resulted into less and buggier updates than ever, with MTX promos being the most frequent updates. That trend has only kept getting worse with each passing year, because too many people keep apologizing for Jagex's poor behavior.

If you're thinking that Jagex is going to voluntarily give up its predatory MTX practices, you're sorely mistaken; only money matters when Jagex listens to your feedback, and by buying gold premier club, you've encouraged them to keep up said practices for another year.


I take it OP means "Original Poster"?

I will be the first to admit that I haven't been online for the last couple of years, so I can't comment on your observations. But from my point of view, when I first quit, they seem to have addressed many of the concerns that made me quit in the first place.

There are some issues that still need to be resolved, but from what I can see things are gradually, albeit much too slowly, improving.

MTX?

I'd just like to correct you on a minor thing. I did not buy Gold Premier Membership for all of the extra content (although I admit that I use them now that I have access to them). I bought Gold Premier Membership simply because it was a better offer than 12 months of regular membership.

I think I saved about 75 DKK by going that route. And money saved is money earned.
Should GPM become more expensive than regular membership I will of course go the regular membership route
The joy of returning after a six-year hiatus; I'm a noob again! :D

30-Nov-2018 16:04:13

Blackwing
Nov Member 2012

Blackwing

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Honor Wolf said:
*snipped for space*

No offense, but you're not thinking rationally right now. The 3 reasons you listed on your opening post are telling of your biggest gripes with the game (because those you remember the best and want to voice out the most), and none of them have been fixed. The P2W MTX is still running rampant, and even worse than before: TH promos got progressively more common and overpowered over the years, because the MTX money started slowing down and they had to start pushing it harder to get the same revenue streams as before. 99s are so common nowadays that 120s have become the new 99, even for skills that don't actually go to level 120 properly yet (but inevitably will in the future).

It seems to me like you're in such a joyous state not because of Jagex improving (because they haven't), but rather because the game feels refreshing to you at the moment. I can sort of understand that, but it won't last for long enough; if you actually want to stay for the long term, you're gonna face the same issues that you mentioned in your opening post that made you quit before.

...which brings me to the other part of your post (excluded the quote to save space): you probably bought the 12-month package too soon to see if you're actually interested enough to keep playing through it all. Yeah, it's less money per month than buying individual months, but now you're chained to the game for a year to make it worth the investment. The fresh feeling you have is probably gonna wear off in the first 1-3 months, after which the content drought hits because Jagex is so lazy with updates these days.

Finally, regarding the "correction": it doesn't matter what you tell me, Jagex interprets your purchase as you being fine with the MTX practices they've been doing, as otherwise you wouldn't have bought it. Jagex has its "unique" thinking process like that: google/search for the runepass controversy and you'll learn more.
"These ghastly beasts CAN be slain! They CAN be overcome!" -Borch Three Jackdaws

30-Nov-2018 21:24:54

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