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Hguoh
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Raleirosen said:
I'll stop you there: do you really consider Zamorak's memory to be faultless as well?


With a significant amount of hype behind this quest having been that we'd finally be learning what happened between Zaros and Zamorak, that both Zamorak and Zaros were acting completely in character during the memory, and the memories roughly line up with Mod Jack's The Empty Throne comic, yes I do believe that it is meant to be accurate.

Hazeel said:
It doesn't "prove" anything. It just adds credibility. And the distance between Khazard and Zamorak is irrelevant given how long the ritual takes.


The ritual took a long time to fully drain Mah. Drain a smaller portion (say as a demonstration) and the time it would take would very likely be drastically reduced.

Raleirosen said:
Laughable. Was that the straw that was closest to you, or did you pick the one furthest away to avoid a mortal combat scenario?


I am throwing a football. Do I throw it towards the player closest to the person wanting to intercept it or do I throw it to the player who is more open? Is throwing it to the completely open person rather than the one who is covered by the opposing player is laughable? Does that change if the open person has run the ball more yards this season than the one who is covered?

No, it is still the best option to throw to the person who is open.

Raleirosen said:
I figured he was saying that to assuage any concerns over killing Mah, but realistically how many of the Mahjarrat would care? So either it was a comment for our benefit (and possibly the tiny minority of Mahjarrat), or he was being slightly genuine for once.


Both Azzanadra and Akthanakos did object. Considering Bilrach's remark of, 'Interesting, very interesting,' in response to Zaros's statement, he may have also objected.

02-Dec-2016 15:18:38 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2016 15:51:05 by Hguoh

Hguoh
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2-3 people in a group of 9 (Sliske didn't show up) may be empirically small, but it is still 22.2-33.3% of the group. It matters.

02-Dec-2016 15:52:36 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2016 16:32:00 by Hguoh

Hazeel

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We're talking about feet, not miles, with Gods, not mortals. You'd be saving milliseconds. The distance it'd take Zamorak to do something isn't even enough for Zaros to give an explanation on HOW to do the ritual. And I know because.....it literally wasn't enough for Zaros to even explain how to do the ritual. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

02-Dec-2016 16:46:42 - Last edited on 02-Dec-2016 16:47:51 by Hazeel

Raleirosen

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Hguoh said:
With a significant amount of hype behind this quest having been that we'd finally be learning what happened between Zaros and Zamorak, that both Zamorak and Zaros were acting completely in character during the memory, and the memories roughly line up with Mod Jack's The Empty Throne comic, yes I do believe that it is meant to be accurate.
Fair enough. I still choose to take it with a grain of salt.

Raleirosen said:
I am throwing a football. Do I throw it towards the player closest to the person wanting to intercept it or do I throw it to the player who is more open? Is throwing it to the completely open person rather than the one who is covered by the opposing player is laughable? Does that change if the open person has run the ball more yards this season than the one who is covered?

No, it is still the best option to throw to the person who is open.
Alright, at first I thought this was a bizarre analogy but I think I get what you mean. If Zaros picked a Mahjarrat closer to Zam, he might've shielded the Mahjarrat and blocked the demonstration that way, right?

Unfortunately I think it's kind of meaningless since both gods are capable magic users. Such a small distance probably makes no difference to them; whether Khazard was one meter or a dozen meters away, Zam probably could've shielded him just as well if he so chose.

Raleirosen said:
Both Azzanadra and Akthanakos did object. Considering Bilrach's remark of, 'Interesting, very interesting,' in response to Zaros's statement, he may have also objected.
Aha, I was right after all. I doubt Bilrach would've really objected though, he seems tremendously amoral.
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02-Dec-2016 22:06:42

Hazeel

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Even if there are small details off, I doubt the memory would be false. Jagex put way too much hype and work into the throne room scene just to come out and say "We tricked you again, time to retcon." And, in game, if there was enough doubt to question the memory, Azzanadra of all people would have jumped on it. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

02-Dec-2016 22:54:50

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We should bear in mind that in the pact Zaros asks Zamorak to keep going for the Stone (he would do this anyway), and do one thing for him. That's it. After that, the pact would probably mean nothing and Zamorak can do whatever he likes afterwards. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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12-Dec-2016 22:13:17

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Kanarthasis said:
In the quest Children of Mah, Zaros enters a pact with Zamorak and fulfills his end of the bargain, it now lies to Zamorak to give one action of servitude in the upcoming Sliske's Endgame.

Zaros tells Zamorak to continue pursuing the Catalyst/SOJ from sliske, and to not stray from that path. BUT!

In the quest FOTG, Zaros says to Azzanadra that the previous explosion of Forinthry did not wake the elder gods, only Guthix. He intends to make a more targeted form of destruction to rouse them.

WHAT IF: Zaros will ask Zamorak to do this, to target the supply of anima in the God wars 2 dungeon that Telos guards, so the elder gods wake? Zamorak would be blamed and this would cause Saradomin, and the other Gods who oppose Zamorak to infight and cause no opposition to Zaros and his quest to Elder-godhood.

If Zamorak refuses, the pact kills him.


Proof that Zaros is the One True Chessmaster.

Forget 3D chess (that's a reference to Star Trek if you didn't know).



This, ladies and gentlemen is 4D chess in action.
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13-Dec-2016 18:58:41 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2016 19:11:44 by BloodnSkulls

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Sliske has the Catalyst. He intends to give it to the victor of the last of his games and end these nonsensical God Wars. I know you are planning to obtain it. You will continue to do so, but within this game you will perform one action at my request. You will know which request I intend for you to act upon, because I will refer to you as my Legatus Maximus when I address you.


We will conduct one final ritual. When it is complete every one of you will have increased in power and the drain on your energy will be gone.


With one last ritual you will end the need for any more, prevent any further energy drain and in turn empower us all. If you deliver on this promise, I must perform one action for you in Sliske's game.


... You know what happens if you break this vow, Zaros. Viniculum Juris is not forgiving.

Yes...I will be undone.

Then it is no longer a matter of trust. Keep your word, or cease to exist.


For those of you still debating about the gory details... you're wasting your time, I'll do you a favor and clear it up.
Yes, Zaros has completed his part of the bargain. Unless Mah magically pops back to life and starts draining their energy, he's in the clear.
No, the wording does not specify any limitations except that it must take place during Sliske's game.
The wording of the final exchange between Big Z and Zimzams implies that only the one who breaks the vow will be undone.
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