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Klap Trap888

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TVTropes has a term, "Early Installment Weirdness," for how details from early entries in a franchise or work of serial fiction, before the series lore is really codified, conflict with later ones - for example, references to real life places and animals in the first "Pokemon" games. Have you found any of these in RS? Here's a few I've noticed:

* References to vampyres being literal undead, as well as the character of Vlad from "Fishing Contest," who acts nothing like any other vampyre. Wonder how he got across the Salve?

* Death, back when he was a holiday gag character rather than an actual part of the lore, is said to have accidentally killed many of his servants. Unless all those servants were unlucky enough for that to be their time to die, this doesn't jive with later clarifications that Death can't kill anyone whose time hasn't come, not save anyone whose time has.

* The big one for me: the old God Letters (remember those?) and a couple early quests refer to a mysterious governing body known as "The Council," who were suggested to be the highest power on Gielinor, with even the gods being bound by their decisions. The implication was that they were the Jagex mod themselves, but obviously this long predates the establishment of the "official" divine pecking order and they aren't mentioned anymore.

27-May-2016 23:39:38

Captain Lime
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There's all sorts of weird retconning in the old Rune/Magic lore, and a ton in the old Desert and God lore. For Runes, obviously the largest one is that RuneCrafting went from a recently rediscovered art to something we've basically had for the entire 5th age (not that that's that long in the grand scheme of things).

On the desert/god front, you've got all sorts of references (especially in the Myreque Series under Tytn) that Gods were more of these metaphysical beings that operated on different levels of reality. Or something. It was weird, and was quickly changed, but some of the desert quests, and even some Moonclan texts mention this.

Prayer was also very largely changed - it used to be very Saradomin-y, but then it evolved to be somewhat more... metaphysical? It has less to do with Gods and divinity now and it seems to be more of coming from yourself, but it's in a weird state.

There was a weird idea from Fight Arena that killing a mahjarrat was actually pretty easy, and they had to do some creative shadow realming to make sure that General Khazard/Hazeel/Lucien didn't actually die (though RIP Bouncer). On a similar note with General Khazard, we still have no idea why he's fighting the Gnomes. Or even how the Gnomish Kingdoms really interact with eachother or the rest of the world.
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28-May-2016 00:04:33

Kittyphantom
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Klap Trap888 said:

* References to vampyres being literal undead


Last hint of this was as recent as Branches of Darkmeyer. I suspect Rowl*y and/or Stu just didn't know. And I failed to inform them properly. ;_;
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28-May-2016 00:10:57 - Last edited on 28-May-2016 00:11:23 by Kittyphantom

AesirWarrior

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Kittyphantom said:
Klap Trap888 said:

* References to vampyres being literal undead


Last hint of this was as recent as Branches of Darkmeyer. I suspect Rowl*y and/or Stu just didn't know. And I failed to inform them properly. ;_;


I'm pretty sure that it was confirmed long before Branches (or maybe post by Ana, idk, before Lord of Vampyrium at least) that Vamps aren't *actually* undead. That examine was kind of a joke.
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28-May-2016 00:14:37 - Last edited on 28-May-2016 00:15:00 by AesirWarrior

Kittyphantom
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AesirWarrior said:
Kittyphantom said:
Klap Trap888 said:

* References to vampyres being literal undead


Last hint of this was as recent as Branches of Darkmeyer. I suspect Rowl*y and/or Stu just didn't know. And I failed to inform them properly. ;_;


I'm pretty sure that it was confirmed long before Branches (or maybe post by Ana, idk, before Lord of Vampyrium at least) that Vamps aren't *actually* undead. That examine was kind of a joke.


We still had stuff like the Vyrewatch being described as a "bane on the living" Charos being described as Drakan's "only living servant", etc. As well as a number of other smaller things.

If vampyres being undead is a misconception, I fear it is a misconception the vyres *themselves* seem to suffer from. :|

...Oh, nearly forgot. Mod Osborne. He made a comment to that effect in a lore Q and A just a couple years back (between Branches and LoV). Possibly more than one comment.
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you[...]For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

28-May-2016 00:24:25 - Last edited on 28-May-2016 00:28:20 by Kittyphantom

Maiden China

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oh, the death thing... inside his manor, the 'it's not their time' thing doesn't apply (was mentioned in the grim reaper hood one) so he can kill people there whenever. In the same event, he mentions that Guthix stops him from killing people who's time hasn't come, so that's not really a later addition

or... that is what is in my memories, at least

I thought there used to be a thing with the mahjarrat that when you kill them they dont stay dead, they just hazeel a bit until they resurrect themselves or their followers do it for them.
So I was pretty amazed that the dragonkin managed to kill-kill Lucien... and that also better explained why the zamorakians and saradominists trapped azzanadra in the pyramid, instead of overwhelming him with many, many powerful people and ... I dunno, taking his head off

in the god letters, it was said that gods couldn't exist in a plane where they aren't worshipped, but that applied differently to guthix because apparently the plants and animals 'worship' him by existing
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28-May-2016 01:20:41 - Last edited on 28-May-2016 01:27:16 by Maiden China

Rondstat

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Kittyphantom said:
...Oh, nearly forgot. Mod Osborne. He made a comment to that effect in a lore Q and A just a couple years back (between Branches and LoV). Possibly more than one comment.



I love Osborne to bits, but I think by this point, all lorehounds know that his working lore knowledge is pretty shaky (especially when compared against a Jack or Wilson).

28-May-2016 01:26:39

Maiden China

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Rondstat said:
I love Osborne to bits, but I think by this point, all lorehounds know that his working lore knowledge is pretty shaky (especially when compared against a Jack or Wilson).
heresy! accurate heresy but still!
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28-May-2016 01:28:06

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Klap Trap888 said:
Forgot possibly the biggest one: King Arthur and company. I believe I recall a mod stated he regretted them being in the game since they don't mesh well with later lore.

That was Osborne.

Another thing concerning vampyres: we killed Count Draynor Drakan, brother of Lord Lowerniel Drakon, with a bundle of garlic and a wooden stake. He then proceeded to turn to dust. This method certainly wouldn't have worked against the late Lord Drakan.
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28-May-2016 02:17:36

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