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Alright, so I've been seeing a few interesting theories now after the big Khazard reveal, and I'd like to take this chance to dispel some misconceptions- because people seem to think it's a really big deal or something.

We already know, from Mod commentary, that God's are still kind of members of their original race. Just like their race + Godhood powers.

So, think of Saradomin as a Human +. The '+' denoting all the special powers granted by godhood. Same thing goes for Armadyl being Aviansie +, and Bandos being rhino +.

All these races are inherently mortal races. "What do you mean by that Half?" I'll tell you-

They are born in a completely biological matter- there is no magical "cost" to a birth. They're just like humans in the real world- and while they may have exceptional magic ability, they have no extra powers beyond what we would normally expect from their race.

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Then there's mahjarrat. The mahjarrat are born with an innate divine access. It "costs" energy if you will, for them to have offspring. If you check Seren's memories from FotG, you can see this is true-

"Even when she does lapse back into semi-consciousness all she does is wail and scream and hurt herself. For such times, I taught the tribes how to drain some of her energy and use it create more of their kind."


They're ritual of enervation, as they call their naughty time, is essentially a means of siphoning energy from Mah, to keep themselves alive. This energy would then be sacrificed up again to Mah when she was falling into Nightmares (dreaming up Muspah).

So imagine that each Dream of Mah (including Zaros and Seren) have a set amount of divine energy they are born with. When a new mahjarrat is born, they take some energy from Mah to facilitate this. When Mahjarrat die- they give it back.
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08-Dec-2016 20:34:32

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On Gielinor, their energies depleted naturally- judging from CoM, it was Mah draining the Mahjarrat- and this process only accelerated and spread to Zaros and Seren, once Mah woke.

So, as the divine energy depleted, they would need to sacrifice one another in order to redistribute the energy and keep themselves strong.

From all of this, we know that, divine energy has been a crucial aspect of their life cycle- and you can't just create another Mahjarrat without more of it. Same should apply to gods, as they also consist of divine energy.

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So, when Palkeera birthed Khazard- it left her weak, due to the drain on her own energy- which perhaps Zamorak supplemented at some point to help her, just as we know Zemouregal Senior assisted in the process on Freneskae.

Khazard was born with the same powers of a normal mahjarrat, so same amount of energy, just a more noteworthy parentage.

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Then there's Tumeken and his kids. In order to give birth to gods, I imagine Elidinis and Tumeken had to invest their energy into their children as well. This only makes sense- otherwise, you'd imagine they'd have many many more kids after all- from a purely utilitarian stand point, they were at war and if they could just create more gods who would fight with them- they'd probably do it. So would any god for that matter. There needs to be some cost in terms of energy, otherwise its just too easy.

Perhaps Tumeken replicated this process once more in the creation of the rest of the pantheon- as a way to build on this idea of investing his energy in other beings.
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08-Dec-2016 20:34:45 - Last edited on 08-Dec-2016 20:43:10 by Half Centaur

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Hazeel said:
Given that the oracle refers to Khazard has having some kind of special potential to reach as opposed as the Mahjarrat as a whole,


What are you talking about?

Is it this line from 2006?

"The final dream will reach its full potential"

That really says nothing of Khazard being special in anyway, to be honest. For all we know it has more to do with the Lunar clan than the mahjarrat.

Cthris said:


So yeah, that's why I don't think Gods can pass on godhood through genetics.


Glad we agree. I only wanted to use in-universe sources though, rather than rely on actual real world science.
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09-Dec-2016 02:16:45 - Last edited on 09-Dec-2016 02:18:12 by Half Centaur

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Wahisietel said:

Anyway, back on topic, but do we even know if Amascut and Icthlarin are actually Tumeken @ Elidinis's biological children? Or that they weren't born as mortals, and didn't ascend until later?


I believe Tumeken and/or Elidinis invested their divine energy into the both of them before they were born. In likely much the same manner Tumeken used to create godly pieces of himself.

This also lends itself to my theory Tumeken was originally tier 3 before the rest of the pantheon came into play- that shows the clear energy cost of creating more gods. As I said before, if they could just have as many kids as they want with no cost, well, you'd expect it to be something they always did or every god did. It's free energy, from one perspective, and as long as the family stays together, you'd be unstoppable.
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09-Dec-2016 02:21:00

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