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Hguoh said:
Goldmage162 said:
Well, it doesn't technically disprove it, as far as I know. You could make the argument that he is Skaldrun, and perhaps the first Stalker gave him the ability somehow to "see" more things, as skaldrun does.


Skaldrun observes the happenings of Daemonheim. Just like we’re told Grondaban’s soulgazer friend did.

Skaldrun tells us stories of what he saw. Just like the soulgazer told Grondaban.

Skaldrun tells us stories he could not have personally witnessed all of (he was frozen after all). Just like the stalkers can see and tell of what other stalkers witnessed because of their hive mind.

It’s almost as if Skaldrun is linked into the hive mind of the stalkers (at least with the local ones), much like how father wanted to add Grondaban to the hive.


Problem with that theory is that Grondaban's journal takes place as recently as the Strange Power (despite what the date says...), and Skaldrun was frozen a long time ago.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

09-Jan-2018 13:20:26

Wahisietel

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Hguoh said:
Yet Grondaban writes of those same events when he perceives it to be only Year 1867 of the 4th age. Now, one of them could be wrong in their perception of time, or something funky could be going on with time and space in Daemonheim. And considering the temporally displaced image and note mentioned above, I favor the latter interpretation. I think that certain portals in the warped floors of Daemonheim can occasionally displace beings in time as well as place to varying and often unpredictable degrees, or they alter the local flow of time such that an individual might arrive somewhere prior to when they left.

Compared to elsewhere in Daemonheim, the location we visit in DAT seems fairly stable and would be less likely to be affected by temporal and spatial variations.


The problem with this theory is that literally every other character is unaffected by any time stuff. We've had a ton of characters waltz down to the bottom of Daemoheim (Bilrach, Moia, Us, the Dishonour amongst Thieves crew) and stay there for extended periods of time without their perception changing. Chronicles of Bilrach and the Sagas even establishes that the humans had regular contact with the surface, and learnt of the discovery of Runecrafting and the start of the Fifth Age immediately. So even if their perception of time passing was different, they would have known the actual date anyway.

The only thing suggesting any time-related stuff in Daemonheim is a portal being able to show visions of the past and provide an extra-dimensional scrap of paper.

The fact it doesn't make sense doesn't even matter though. That "fan theory" involving Daemonheim time dilation was by the mod that wrote this lorebook. It's canon. Because Daemonheim's story hadn't been made confusing enough and retconned enough already.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

10-Jan-2018 16:46:10

Wahisietel

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Hguoh said:

In the M. and Thok letter 1, it's established that the Fremennik Seers placed a spell upon the entrance to Daemonheim that made anything but the most basic clothing that crosses it too heavy for even Thok to carry far. In the Letter from Brundt, it is established that only after Thok and Marmaros returned was the call put out to bring adventurers to Daemonheim.

Yet in several of the endings of the Vengeance Saga, the surviving Forgotten Warrior manages to leave Daemonheim with her gear, apparently experiencing no such effect of the spell. This would indicate that she left before the spell was put up. The fact that she faced an adventuring party within Daemonheim, however, would indicate that they entered after the spell was put in place.


Considering how often Jagex forget about The Taint (Salt in the Wound, Dishonour amongst Thieves, ect), it's probably just a mistake. We know there's nothing physically stopping things being brought out of Daemonheim anyway (thanks to Smuggler), the Fremennik just usually don't let it.

Hguoh said:
There's also a distinct difference between Lexicus and Astea's noting of 5 years passing in Daemonheim, with Lexicus, who was stationed far deeper, noting that he wouldn't even believe they'd passed if not for a calendar he or Astea (on her visits to him) had marked the days off of. Considering Lex could only know the days passing from the words of those above, whose to say that the flow of time in his area wasn't flowing slower relative to that of the surface. Granted, it could just be the standard turn of phrase (has it really been a year? I feel like I saw you only yesterday), but that's less fun to think about.


It's just a standard turn of phrase.
You never were our brightest star, Khazard. 'Vermin slaughtered like lambs'? What does that even mean?

11-Jan-2018 15:40:58 - Last edited on 11-Jan-2018 15:42:43 by Wahisietel

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