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Blaze Phase
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Blaze Phase

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It's actually amazing how ridiculous some of the things that Jagex has deemed "unacceptable" are now ban able. Is this a joke? Some of these "unacceptable" features are literally QUALITY OF LIFE improvements that Jagex is TOO LAZY to do for their outdated client. The downfall of OSRS won't be from any EOC related changes, but Jagex' own ignorance and failure to see the bigger picture.

Jagex claims to work on their Vanilla client, but no one wants to wait for you guys to release some "new" features on your outdated client that was already incorporated into Runelite. Some of these features literally make the experience of playing OSRS much more enjoyable, without being too overpowered.

I do a lot of solo COX CM.. Why is an overlay showing each Vanguard's Exact HP "Overpowered"? This overlay does not tell me what to pray or where to stand to avoid aggression from the others. It simply provides you with fundamental information to avoid resetting them. Do you know how easy it is to reset them in a solo? The objective is to keep them within 30% of each other, otherwise, they will all reset back to full HP (also the longest room in the raid minus Olm).. With the Vanilla client, I can only see the EXACT HP of the one in front of me, but not the other two. A QOL overlay that actually does what Jagex was too lazy to include when COX was released (and updated) is deemed ban-able now? Obviously Jagex is not going to take the time to add something like this in, and if they did, it certainly wouldn't be a priority compared to other things like 1-click banking on bankers.

If Jagex wants to keep OSRS alive, then they need to rethink the restrictions they impose on their players. If you want to crack down on players that invest hundreds to thousands of hours to play your game legitimately, yet still let bots and gold farmers run rampant, then Jagex has a much more internal problem.

Thoughts?

01-Nov-2019 06:23:14 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2019 06:48:45 by Blaze Phase

Blaze Phase
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Blaze Phase

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Another great example is saying prayer book reordering is "unacceptable". How? HOW? You are legitimately doing the exact same action (1 click), just to a more comfortable location for yourself (QOL). Why does each prayer have to be in the order you unlock them? If this is unacceptable then how is the filter for your spell book acceptable???? You are literally reordering them by filtering out the ones you are not going to use for whatever situation you may be in.

01-Nov-2019 06:31:46

irl pker dib
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irl pker dib

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What's wrong? You forget how to kill the Giant Mole without your plugins? What? Could you also not do ToB until LyzrdLite released plugins for it?

Jagex wasn't "too lazy" to do it. They just bluntly didn't release it, because that'd defeat the whole entire purpose of the PvM content. I swear the entirety of this HLC community crying about it is a disgrace to us actual PvMers who got our infernal capes before this Justiciar+SGS generation, learned ToB without plugins, did CoX before these clients even had scouting features, and so on.

The prayer book customization failed a poll three times which I agree should've passed. However, regardless of that, nothing that fails a poll should be on any third party clients.

Aside from that, you guys can shut the fuck up about "wanting to keep OSRS alive". I don't give a fuck what the community who voted to keep 6 hour afk in the game thinks. Quit trying to act all hard when you probably haven't even soloed or FFAed or a Twisted Bow or Scythe yet. I've done both btw. Lmk if you want the screenshots lmao.
If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources. :)

01-Nov-2019 07:51:41

Blaze Phase
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I've had 4 bows and 2 scythes in my name? I've got screenshots of all of them too. We can compare banks too lad. Now whats your point? I can raid fine without the plug ins, considering I've done over 1k COX and TOB before any of those plug ins were even a thing. You seem to need to boast about your achievements to make them valid and why you are better than other players because of the way you achieved things like your Infernal cape "before Justiciar + SGS generation". I got news for ya buddy, as new gear comes into the game, it will make older content easier. That has absolutely nothing to do with a plug-in.

My point is some of these plug-ins should have already been incorporated into the game as a QOL feature. I am not referring to any of the overpowered plug-ins that TELL YOU WHAT TO PRAY AND WHERE TO STAND, that should not be in the game. Just shit that should already be a standard in the game to improve your in-game experience.

01-Nov-2019 08:18:45 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2019 08:23:51 by Blaze Phase

irl pker dib
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irl pker dib

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You sound very defensive for someone who "doesn't need these plugins". Also, I love how you didn't say shit about the Inferno and instead tried justifying Justiciar capes. What? Did you also need a Guitar Hero plugin for triple Jads? LOL. Also, wanna see my ToB and Olmlet pets? They're testaments of true grind and skill. People with those pets and infernal capes usually aren't overly dependent on plugins. Can you not remember three monsters' current HP?

I love how you're trying so hard to nitpick specifics and going off what they said you can't use in the dev blog and not what's actually against game integrity. Show some selfishness and makes some of us think the community shouldn't be trusted with decisions like this especially since y'all downvoted nerfs to 6 hour afk. Also, who the fuck are you to tell what should and shouldn't be a standard to improve in-game experience? If we're gonna use personal opinions here, I think botting should be allowed. It'd be a nice standard to you know, "improve your in-game experience and should already be in the official client".

Also, soloing CM's is brutally inefficient. If you actually knew basics about PvM, you'd know this. You just get the dust in 5 or 7 man raids for maximum efficiency and go the fuck back to regular CoX rofl. Who the fuck even does solo CM's unless they're going for WR's or some shit?
If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources. :)

01-Nov-2019 09:22:25

Blaze Phase
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Last I checked, Doing a Solo CM that takes 46 - 48 minutes on average is equal to around 60-62K pts.. Which is basically the equivalent of doing 2 regular solo raids at 23 - 24 min each and point wise + the dust roll. If I'm efficient at doing every room, remind why I need to bother scouting? You see so many purps there and you don't have to split. What is inefficient about that?

Again, you're overlooking my whole point to that example. It's not that I can't remember their HP, its the fact that you can legitimately knock over 30% off with 1 Tbow hit. Lots of times, there will be situations where the Mage is sub 30, Melee and range are both 40. Move to a safespot so the melee can't hit you while you bow him while praying mage. If I know with certainty that they are both 40, I'd opt to not use Rigour for those hits. This has worked many times for me so I avoid hitting too hard because I know with certainty that I can still DPS and not reset. But I wouldn't expect you to know these kinds of "inefficient" things, probably because you've never tried a solo CM. You talk about a true grind and skill, I don't see how you're overlooking this one lol.

Idk why you even bother bringing up 6 hour afk, wtf does that even have to do with this?

01-Nov-2019 10:49:00 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2019 10:57:20 by Blaze Phase

RupertGiles2

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"It simply provides you with fundamental information to avoid resetting them." That's the problem here, what you consider qol is something that requires being voted on to add to the game. If I am not mistaken, it was voted on and people using the 3pc voted no so they could maintain their unfair advantage.

The fact is, a lot of people do not like the game becoming too easy and that is precisely what many of those do. Other give you advantages and people that use the 3pc vote to NOT put them on the regular client so they can maintain their advantages.

Jagex was willing to overlook these, until the makers of the 3pc went too far and now they have had to put their foot down. The result is people like you come here and talk about the little stuff like its nothing, expecting to get the bigger stuff back as well.

01-Nov-2019 14:02:37 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2019 14:04:09 by RupertGiles2

irl pker dib
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Can you not consistently do s20 minute solos? You need to mainly L2no prep and 7:3 skips. So think about it. You save like 8 minutes overall per time you would've spent doing a CM which is 2 raids. A semi-decent 5 man team should be able to get a s30 CM run. A good one usually gets s27's. The dust goes by that much quicker. I understand your point on scouting, but you could just L2prescout.

I usually have like 3 prescouts up when I'm solo raiding. Once I finish prescouting on one account, I hop to another. It's a bit of an effort game, but it's definitely worth learning and figuring out when you have free ticks and all that. It's much easier than alting a raid in a 4+1 or something since it's braindead and you click in the exact same areas every single time making it purely muscle memory.

I get your point. That was extremely troublesome. I had like 2k regular CoX KC when I played the game, but I'd say about 1.5k of it came from team raids. It was extremely frustrating dealing with incompetent people on my team screwing it up for everyone. That's actually the reason I quit scouting raids with Vanguards in it even if it was a 3c crope.

I would only ever learn solo CM's for the same reason I'd learn 6 jads. The only purpose is to say I did it or go for a WR of some kind. I've already explained to you how much more efficient it is to just do regular CoX at maximum efficiency. I'm safely assuming you've learned 7:3 skips and everything else aside from prescouting.

The poll/survey on 6 hour afk made my point clear on how the community only will vote for what's best for their accounts rather than what's actually needed for game integrity. That's why neither I nor any semi-intelligent person wouldn't trust the community on decisions just as what's QoL and what's actually just easyscape.
If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources. :)

01-Nov-2019 15:02:40

kingOfCarts

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You don't seem to understand that Jagex's client is perfectly playable. Runelite has extra frills for convenience, but it should IN NO WAY be playing the game for you, or affording you macros that are 2:1, 3:1, 3:2, etc. That IS macroing, and is clearly against the rules and has been since the inception of the game.

You can use macroes at your own risk, but don't expect the playerbase to shed tears for you when your shitty, lying, entitled ass gets banned for it. It's not my fault you don't understand that games have rules.

That would be like saying "Hey, I know this is Soccer (European futbol) but it's so much easier to get goals if I pick up the soccer ball and throw it in the net."

Well GUESS WHAT? You're not fucking playing soccer anymore are you?

Rules define a game. You cannot simply say "I want you to change the rules for me, because of MY laziness" and call it "QOL". Nobody is buying your bullshit.

Go macro your heart out, and eat shit when you get banned for it. Or just play the game and enjoy it..

01-Nov-2019 15:52:42

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