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Spoiler warning for Sliske's Endgame.

So I just got to the point in Endgame that Kerapac destroys the stone of jas, but I've got a question about that pact Armadyl made with Zaros. I of course chose Armadyl as the god I wanted to have the advantage, and he beat me in the race to the stone. But then when he goes to take the stone Zaros pops in and asks him if he's going to uphold his compact, which I understand and all...

...but why the heck did Armadyl even go through all the effort to get the stone of jas if he knew he was bound by this agreement and would have to give it up? Wouldn't he just let me win since I was siding with him and had no such agreement? Was he caught off guard by Zaros' invoking of the compact or something? (And when was this compact made?)


Many thanks. Eek.

Lemme know if any of you know.
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10-Jan-2020 05:17:08 - Last edited on 10-Jan-2020 05:19:21 by I IS SPAEROR

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Zaros would promise a safe haven for Armadyl's race to avoid what ever is going on in their Home planet, in return Armadyl gives up the stone IF he wins. Each God we race had their own reason to win. Saradomin to get his daughter back, Zamorak because he has a deal to uphold, and Armadyl was for a better world for his people.

So, Armadyl cares about his people enough that he would make a deal like that and try to win. The demon contract must have both sides to agree and place it on each other. So being caught off guard is a no. And it could have happened off screen, before the eclipse even came around. So who knows.

Edit; there is more lore on the contracts if you replay Sliske's endgame or go to the official RuneScape wiki and read the transcript.
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17-Jan-2020 04:31:16 - Last edited on 17-Jan-2020 04:32:52 by Adventurerrr

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Ooooh, so maybe I misunderstood the whole thing. What you're saying is Zaros promised to do these things, but only if said god won the competition. Am I reading that right? Because initially I thought these were things that Zaros promised to do in the past, regardless whether the god in the pact with him won the competition. Click here for ideas on exploring other worlds, specifically the human homeworld Teragard. This one's me baby

18-Jan-2020 02:49:00

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So here's Zaros' quote of the demon pact made in Children of Mah with Zamorak:

"Sliske has the Catalyst. He intends to give it to the victor of the last of his games and end these nonsensical God Wars. I know you are planning to obtain it. You will continue to do so, but within this game you will perform one action at my request. You will know which request I intend for you to act upon, because I will refer to you as my Legatus Maximus when I address you."

This was understood by Zamorak and the Mahjarrat who witnessed it as a request for the stone, as they continue, saying:

"I cannot give him what he wants, Enakhra. There is no telling what he would do with the Stone!"


If all the demon pacts were made with this wording, there... COULD... be enough ambiguity to the pact that each god would still try their hardest to obtain the stone. But nonetheless, and especially in the case of Zamorak... if the player was on his side, I really can't believe that he would try earnestly to obtain the stone. This saddens me, because when the game comes, he does. They all do. That's a gaping plot hole.

Maybe he just lies to himself and insists that Zaros will ask something else, which makes it more of a tragedy than a plot hole. So idk.
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18-Jan-2020 03:25:40 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2020 03:30:04 by I IS SPAEROR

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Yes, the point was a bit out of game knowledge, but to word it better; Zaros made a pact with Armadyl and Saradomin as well. He did not tell them what he want in return (because the pact would have been rejected if they figured). Zaros bargained the pact with them, claiming that he wants them to continue to fight for the stone, that when the time comes within Sliske's game, they will know with he is collecting his part of the deal.

He never told them what is was, because that's how sly he was. The pact required both sides agreements, so for Armadyl, it was him wanting his people safe, in return, he'd give Zaros what he want without knowledge. For Saradomin, was the knowledge of his daughter whereabouts and possible return, but i return, whatever Zaros wanted.

Each gods had no clue what Zaros wanted or when he was going to invoke the deal, he would call them by the name he placed on them. So they had no clue that he was going to collect the stone from them. Minus Zamorack who knew well that was the case.

Edit: It isn't Plot hole, remember we are the world guardian, in the end we could betray them, that's all of the gods' fear. Even if you are on their side, they believe they need to win themselves out of pride and fear. If you win, yes you can claim what god you want the stone to go to, but in the end, they wouldn't know you're giving it to them, minus Zaros who will threaten you for the stone if it isn't given to him.
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18-Jan-2020 13:08:13 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2020 13:11:00 by Adventurerrr

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Adventurerrr said:
Yes, the point was....


Good point about the world guardian always being able to turn on them. So I actually went and read the transcripts closely and it appears that Armadyl and Zamorak knew well that Zaros was going to ask them for the stone, and Saradomin was caught off guard (typical for the god of wisdom lol). That being said, I suppose Zaros' request would still apply if you were to give the stone to said god because he could just invoke his pact later, i.e. after you give them the stone, so long as you do so during the game.

So even if you win there's a lot of uncertainty about that from that god's perspective, both from what you pointed out and from the pact. I suppose the god could try to coordinate with you ahead of time but even then that coordination might have failed. So best to just try and win.
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19-Jan-2020 22:42:25

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I think Armadyl would care more about his people being safe than possessing the Stone. Zaros had to keep his word because of the demon pact, so Armadyl was fighting for his people, not the Stone.
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21-Jan-2020 02:41:45

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A Mighty said:
I think Armadyl would care more about his people being safe than possessing the Stone. Zaros had to keep his word because of the demon pact, so Armadyl was fighting for his people, not the Stone.


This is of course assuming that the pact only held zaros accountable if Armadyl won. This was unclear.

I wonder how this will affect future storylines... if zaros will have to keep both his promises to Saradomin and Armadyl or just to the one.
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22-Jan-2020 02:20:29

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