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I'm doing Mahjarrat Memories at the moment, and I noticed it confirms that Mizzarch was Zarosian as opposed to Zamorakian. I swear though, at some point, that there was definitely a belief that he had been Zamorakian.

When was this changed in the lore, please? And why?
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05-Nov-2019 12:07:07

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So I poked around old versions of the article on Mizzarch on the RS Wiki, because going by my own memory I sadly barely remember much of when he's mentioned, and it seems the earliest mention of his alignment was in 2014 (one day after Mahjarrat Memories was released) and it states he was indeed a Zarosian. On versions of that article prior to that edit, it was just stated that he was a Mahjarrat, with no mention of whose side he was on.

This, to my way of seeing things, means the persons who were editing that article weren't under the impression he was a Zamorakian, or Zarosian for that matter, up until MM was released, or just weren't sure and didn't want to say either way, then included it when it was a sure thing. I'd say nothing was changed or retconned based on this, although I wouldn't say it's impossible it happened.

07-Nov-2019 06:20:09

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Banim said:
So I poked around old versions of the article on Mizzarch on the RS Wiki, because going by my own memory I sadly barely remember much of when he's mentioned, and it seems the earliest mention of his alignment was in 2014 (one day after Mahjarrat Memories was released) and it states he was indeed a Zarosian. On versions of that article prior to that edit, it was just stated that he was a Mahjarrat, with no mention of whose side he was on.

This, to my way of seeing things, means the persons who were editing that article weren't under the impression he was a Zamorakian, or Zarosian for that matter, up until MM was released, or just weren't sure and didn't want to say either way, then included it when it was a sure thing. I'd say nothing was changed or retconned based on this, although I wouldn't say it's impossible it happened.


Hey! Thanks so much for doing that.

Huh. Maybe I'm mistaken then... but I could've sworn I read somewhere... maybe in a different Wiki article, or under a different context? I remember seeing somewhere that it was "notable" or something that even though the Zarosian Mahjarrat have always been the minority, especially before the return of Azzanadra and Akthanakos when it was just Wahisietel and Sliske (or at most, them 2 and Jhallan), the past 3 sacrifices (Ralvash, Lamistard, and Mizzarch) had all been Zamorakian, and how it spoke to Wahisietel and Sliske's power. Something like that.

I could also just be mistaken though, or it could be that wherever I remember reading that, whoever had written it was not a good source or was themselves mistaken about Mizzarch (and thought Mizzarch had been Zamorakian when in fact it'd never been stated either way). Ah well. Hmm.
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14-Nov-2019 23:02:13

Goldmage162
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I believe the earliest mention of Mizzarch was in the postbag from the hedge:

Feburary 2009, where Azzanadra lists him, Ralvash, and Lamistard as being most recently terminated in the ritual.

This was further elaborated in July 2009, with the release of The Curse of Arav and Zemouregal's notes.

Neither of those made explicit reference to his allegiance with regards to gods, but Zemouregal did say he had no allies.

Zemouregal seems also to think of Wahisisetel's Zarosian allegiance as a mere rumor, at the time of writing the notes, which implies to me that Wahisisetel did not actually outright declare Zarosian allegiance till Azanadra returned (and at that point, had also already contacted Zaros)

Sliske being left as the only Mahjarrat who had been active then as having a confirmed allegiance, though Zemouregal doesn't specifically mention it, it might be just that Sliske was powerful enough to get away with it.

25-Nov-2019 16:21:16

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Goldmage162 said:
I believe the earliest mention of Mizzarch was in the postbag from the hedge:

Feburary 2009, where Azzanadra lists him, Ralvash, and Lamistard as being most recently terminated in the ritual.

This was further elaborated in July 2009, with the release of The Curse of Arav and Zemouregal's notes.

Neither of those made explicit reference to his allegiance with regards to gods, but Zemouregal did say he had no allies.

Zemouregal seems also to think of Wahisisetel's Zarosian allegiance as a mere rumor, at the time of writing the notes, which implies to me that Wahisisetel did not actually outright declare Zarosian allegiance till Azanadra returned (and at that point, had also already contacted Zaros)

Sliske being left as the only Mahjarrat who had been active then as having a confirmed allegiance, though Zemouregal doesn't specifically mention it, it might be just that Sliske was powerful enough to get away with it.


Huh!!

Alright, cheers. One-man Mandela effect then. :P

That's an interesting tidbit about Wahisietel though! Thank you for that, even if it's just a theory and not quite confirmed. That's cool; I feel like it shows more of Wahisietel's "slippery" similarities with his brother, ahahaha.

That speaks to Sliske's power all the more then, though! If he was the only active "out" Zarosian Mahjarrat for the 17th ritual, and then before that it was just him and Jhallan, he alone must have been enough of a powerhouse or at least good enough at hiding, to have prevented all the other Mahjarrat from sacrificing him. And that's despite it being him against literally all the others! That's fascinating to me.
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26-Nov-2019 02:47:42

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