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C a z said:


Maybe I am incorrect, but I think a place with a wider audience will have a much larger amount of people for Alt1 than against..... as I have said, maybe I'm wrong in this assumption.


Why should OP only be looking for ppl who are for this?

I thought the whole point of this thread was to get an idea on if it should/shouldnt get banned?

Since thats the case, having ppl chime in who are against this as well is needed.
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22-Sep-2021 02:02:32

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A  Cole said:


I still believe that using this Alt1 add-on is cheating, but only because it's not freely and safely accessible to all. Making it official and/or creating an in-house version would change this.


Yet its been said throughout this thread and OPs previous that everyone can DL just fine and just because some choose not to doesnt mean it is.
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22-Sep-2021 11:05:53

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SlR said:
A reddit poll (external source) VS runescape forums (an internal source), I wonder how that'd turn out. I thought one of the points raised here was that Alt1 is not advertised anywhere else in-game or on the website. That's gotta be factored in. As well as the anonymity of Reddit. It could be interesting though! to see how many downvotes I can get on there. I can see it now - a bunch of 'no / nope / who cares / clues suck' comments.



Yet thats pretty much what you're getting here but just from the opposite side.

I mean having just "yes men" comments doesnt make it truly "valid".

Plus what does it not being advertised have to do with anything?
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22-Sep-2021 11:56:02

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Snowbuddy said:
I can't believe cheat codes are being allowed in a game... because they aren't cheat codes they involve videos and you don't actually r2r2 left down left down wait... actually you are


???

How is this in any way a "cheat code"?

If it was jagex wouldve banned it by now so jagex themselves have disproven your post.
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26-Sep-2021 19:04:08 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2021 19:05:19 by Draco Burnz

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PiraBob said:

Nonaction is not the same as approval. If it were bug abuse would not exist, nor would we have thousands of bugs in this game that never get fixed, plenty of which can be abused. By the letter of the rule Alt1 is against the rules.


Yea i fail to see any connection between alt1 and bug abuse.

Its just a helpful app someone made like the oshd or w/e, which later got approved by the jmods.
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07-Oct-2021 23:14:39

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SlR said:
I agree Alt1 is helpful (in gaining a competitive advantage) over those that don't use it (whether it be through choice, integrity or acc security concerns of using third-party software, or that they're simply unaware of it's existence). The reason(s) for wanting it banned isn't simply because we dislike it, it's because it goes against Runescape ethos and game rules. clickable 'next move' indicators are not allowed.


All of those point are by choice though.

Everyone has access to this so theres no "competitive advantage" and definitely no security issues with this whatsoever.

Plus if this did go against the rules, it wouldve been banned already.

Yet jagex havent done a thing about it.

SlR said:


" ‘botting.' It means using software or hardware that can help you play the game with the software or hardware doing things for you that you should be doing yourself. Our games are meant to be played by humans"



Do we have to yet again prove that this isnt botting? How many times do you have to be told this isnt equal to botting?
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08-Oct-2021 23:59:51 - Last edited on 09-Oct-2021 00:00:48 by Draco Burnz

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SlR said:


I wouldn't assume just because they haven't done anything about it (yet) that they condone it. They don't advertise Alt1 anywhere in-game or on the website. They do with Wiki and YT.



Yet they didnt advertise wiki till after it got added to the game.

So it was treated just like alt1 before that happened.

I mean the wiki even had to change sites due to malware and what not yet ive yet to see alt1 do that once.

So it seems to me that theres more risk with wiki than alt1 as ppl can freely edit it thus cause problems with it.

Makes you wonder if jagex should trust it so highly.
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09-Oct-2021 15:01:06

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Kings Abbot said:


Still doesnt disprove that wiki is open source and alt1 isnt, so less ppl can cause problems with alt1 than wiki.

Plus even though they changed sites, ppl can still freely edit it and still infect it with malware.

Yet ppl want something thats "controlled" banned over something that isnt.
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10-Oct-2021 12:54:28 - Last edited on 10-Oct-2021 12:57:13 by Draco Burnz

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Alder said:
I disagree.

I think you've made good points: it does provide an advantage, it does have some future concerns (your Terminator reference), and in some definitions, the advantage it provides could be considered a cheat. I don't disagree with those statements but I think their implications are too slippery to enforce.

The biggest problem I see is that this is a non-starter. The application is an overlay and doesn't interact with the game at all, so there's no way to enforce this rule unless you manually go after people posting content online. If I'm wrong about this, please let me know (I haven't had time to read the previous pages of the thread). Suppose it is against the rules tomorrow. What changes?

Personally, I don't use alt1 and have only ever used the official client, but looking at its features, I consider most of them to be quality-of-life things more than cheats. The puzzle solvers are the most egregious, but there's really very little difference between using alt1 for that versus taking a screenshot to paste into a solver that spits out a list of moves. And at the end of the day, I don't think it's having that big of an impact on the game to be worth paying staff members to enforce.


Exactly.

I also find this near impossible to enforce as like said, no one knows for sure, not even jagex, whos using this.

So unless jagex just wants to put out an update that somehow "disables" it from working, this isnt ever happening.

Even then it'll only be a matter of time before the creator or whoever works on alt1 gets it working again.
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