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SlR
Nov Member 2020

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Suggestion: To give player moderators the ability to toggle on/off their crown next to their name (similar to the Premier-Club chat icon) - to blend in for proactive moderation during scams that involve replying to the offender, AND moreso to simply relax in chat without the special attention or impact on player interaction it can bring! :)

Reasons for:
- Moderators may wish to chat without drawing too much attention to themselves
- People act differently when they see a moderator (it impacts chat, positive & negative)
- Some luring scams require communication to 'progress'. A crown stands out in the DMs.
- If players suspected pmods could be anywhere I think they'd treat eachother better.
- Not everyone is fond of being treated differently as soon as they talk in chat


- - - More (of the same) pros & cons on page-3

Reasons against (from what othes have said):
- It will (could) cause fear and distrust in the community
- It will (could) make pmods appear like police
- It will (could) increase the amount of impersonation scams
- If they want to chat they should just make an alt account
- You are either a pmod or you are not, there should be no inbetween
- Pmods should not have to or be able to hide
- If you don't want the attention then don't talk
- Pmods will (could) use this feature to abuse their powers
- People will (could) use the "I'm a mod with my icon disabled" to scam


- what might happen...


If someone says "I'm a mod, my crown is just disabled" report them, it's that simple. No pmod would say this. And people who fall for that kind of scam would also fall for it without crowns being temporarily removed. You can decide which ones you agree or disagree with, I'll try to keep this updated

To clarify: I don't see pmods as police and I am not against them having a crown chat badge. I simply want to offer them the option to toggle it on/off when they see fit.
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15-Jul-2021 18:10:33 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2021 13:27:23 by SlR

Tenebri
Jan Member 2015

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i dont support this. this would just generate fear among the community.

iirc this already technically happened when ironmen came out, the symbol for ironman would overide the symbol for player mod that was quickly changed. as they didnt want undercover p mods.

also with this. you are acting as if pmods are like police. when they arent. not in the slightest
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15-Jul-2021 20:53:58

DracoáBurnz
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Tenebri said:
i dont support this. this would just generate fear among the community.

iirc this already technically happened when ironmen came out, the symbol for ironman would overide the symbol for player mod that was quickly changed. as they didnt want undercover p mods.

also with this. you are acting as if pmods are like police. when they arent. not in the slightest


+1

No support.

I dont see why mods need to hide when they're supposed to be trusted by jagex?

I mean they are dubbed "community champions" thus should be more than willing to show off their status.

Plus if they get bothered by how ppl react, then maybe they shouldve thought twice before getting it.
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15-Jul-2021 21:29:04

Vengeanceáof
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No support. If a mod wants to keep a low profile, all they have to do is not talk. It's usually fairly simple to detect a scam or lure without saying a word, after all (not to mention that, as a general rule of thumb, scammers are stupid. I once saw a scammer try to tell a PMod that their crown was a sign that their account was glitched and that they could fix it for them)

Not to mention the idea that "if people thought there were more undercover mods they'd likely behave more" doesn't hold water when, again, all they have to do to blend in with other players is keep their mouths shut. If you go to portables or the Grand Exchange, you'll never know if a mod is there so long as they don't reveal themselves.

Last but by no means least, there's already enough problems with PMods abusing their power. The last thing they need is yet another way to avoid accountability when they go rogue.

15-Jul-2021 23:05:32 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2021 01:00:30 by Vengeanceáof

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Vengeanceáof said:
No support. If a mod wants to keep a low profile, all they have to do is not talk. It's usually fairly simple to detect a scam or lure without saying a word, after all (not to mention that, as a general rule of thumb, scammers are stupid. I once saw a scammer try to tell a PMod that their crown was a sign that their account was glitched and that they could fix it for them)

Not to mention the idea that "if people thought there were more undercover mods they'd likely behave more" doesn't hold water when, again, all they have to do to blend in with other players is keep their mouths shut. If you go to portables or the Grand Exchange, you'll never know if a mod is there so long as they don't reveal themselves.

Last but by no means least, there's already enough problems with PMods abusing their power. The last thing they need is yet another way to avoid accountability when they go rogue.


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16-Jul-2021 09:28:33

SlR
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"If they are undercover, then their moderator abilities should be disabled until they activate their crown again."
- surely that defeats the point, does it not? one of the ideas is that people will (hypothetically) treat eachother better if they suspect anyone could be a moderator. That said, I'm not against the powers being removed when their badge is off.

"If a mod wants to keep a low profile, all they have to do is not talk."
- they can do that, sure, anyone can. what if they dont want to draw attention? why should we deny them that freedom?

"It's usually fairly simple to detect a scam or lure without saying a word"
- disagree. the only way i managed to get incriminating evidense the other day from a scammer was through 'going along with it' in conversation with them. They tried the old 'telegrab the money in the wildy' thing. I'd have not got that far if I didn't reply to them. They may be stupid but they are not that stupid.

"there's already enough problems with PMods abusing their power. The last thing they need is yet another way to avoid accountability when they go rogue."
- good point, but like anyone else, if they break the rules they'll get reported (and risk losing their status) which is the obvious deterrent. bad mods will be bad mods regardless.

"I dont see why mods need to hide when they're supposed to be trusted by jagex?"
- they wouldnt 'have to' do anything, this suggestion is to give them the option to toggle it.

"i dont support this. this would just generate fear among the community."
- agreed, fear amongst rule breakers, to deter them.

If you are innocent you have nothing to worry about. I'd like to hear more criticism, what are the implications of having undercover mods? (when J-Mods can do it) ? TIA
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16-Jul-2021 12:38:22 - Last edited on 26-Sep-2021 13:26:37 by SlR

Tenebri
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SlR said:


"i dont support this. this would just generate fear among the community."
- agreed, fear amongst rule breakers, to deter them.

If you are innocent you have nothing to worry about. I'd like to hear more criticism, what are the implications of having undercover mods? (when J-Mods can do it) ? TIA


no not fear among the rule breakers. fear among the community. as stated already which you also agreed with is some pmods have abused powers. so no it will bring fear among the innocent. the rule breakers already dont care they are rule breakers...

again i repeat pmods are not there to police the game. when you seem to think they are.
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16-Jul-2021 19:47:58

DracoáBurnz
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Tenebri said:


no not fear among the rule breakers. fear among the community. as stated already which you also agreed with is some pmods have abused powers. so no it will bring fear among the innocent. the rule breakers already dont care they are rule breakers...

again i repeat pmods are not there to police the game. when you seem to think they are.


Exactly.

Pmods are players first after all so everything they do is optional.
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