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Narangren

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I was thinking that the Defenders/Reprisers/Rebounders aren't used much, but that they could possibly because more useful in dragon combat.
It would make the most sense for the T60 (Dragon Defender) and T70 (Corrupted) versions to be used for this. The Dragon Defender leads right in to being the "Anti-Dragon Defender," and the T70 items are the lowest level Repriser and Rebounder.
They would combine the regular defender with the Anti-Dragon shield ability to protect from dragon fire.

Anti-Dragon Shield+Dragon Defender=Anti-Dragon Defender
Mole Anti-Dragon Shield+Corrupted X=Corrupted Anti-Dragon X

This would have a few effects. First, it would increase the likelihood of people actually using the defensive weapons. Second, it would cause more people to see the Giant Mole as a boss with a useful drop. Third, it would cause Duke Horatio a headache as he tries to figure out why everyone is knocking on his door. Fourth, it would potentially result in some players who haven't done switches learning how shield abilities work before they truly need them.
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28-Oct-2021 08:12:29

Tenebri
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majority of people dont use anti dragon shields when fighting dragons, they will use super antire potions. and use 2h weapon or MH & OH for higher dps

so even though i like the idea, i dont think it will change the usefulness of the defenders overal. as there is already a method of firebreathe protection in a potion that is cheap and more useful
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28-Oct-2021 10:18:35

DaddyáHero
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Tenebri said:
majority of people dont use anti dragon shields when fighting dragons, they will use super antire potions. and use 2h weapon or MH & OH for higher dps

so even though i like the idea, i dont think it will change the usefulness of the defenders overal. as there is already a method of firebreathe protection in a potion that is cheap and more useful
agreed
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28-Oct-2021 16:28:11

Kopaka
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Anti-dragon shield = big piece of fire resistant wood you put in between you and the dragonfire. (I guess metal would conduct the heat too well?)

Defender = little dagger used (somewhat historically accurate) for parrying and binding the other combatant's blade.

I have a hard time picturing a good marriage between these. I guess it would be a parrying dagger which is magically enhanced to...vacuum up the flames?

But realism be damned, it's a good idea from a gameplay standpoint.

You forgot the Dragonfire shield.

29-Oct-2021 00:45:05

Deltaslug

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Kopaka said:
Anti-dragon shield = big piece of fire resistant wood you put in between you and the dragonfire. (I guess metal would conduct the heat too well?)

Defender = little dagger used (somewhat historically accurate) for parrying and binding the other combatant's blade.

I have a hard time picturing a good marriage between these. I guess it would be a parrying dagger which is magically enhanced to...vacuum up the flames?

But realism be damned, it's a good idea from a gameplay standpoint.

You forgot the Dragonfire shield.


Anime characters are able to part torrents of water, walls of fire, or mini-tornadoes with but a single block with their hand doing a wonderful impression of Moses parting the Red Sea. That's before you factor in absurdity such as being able to stop arrows, bullets, RPGs, shells fired by tanks, etc.

The player character can lift absurd amounts of weight that would functionally break our legs (28 blocks of obsidian plus full set of adamant armor is a lot of weight). Train bodies to do whatever with Agility (or get stopped by a seemingly mundane crack in the ground that requires an absurdly high agility level to step over)

Plus we live in a world of magic.

So it's not out of any realm that a Dragon Defender, somehow infused with the Visage of a Dragon, and maybe an added bit) would have the capacity to absorb dragonfire.

There could be 3 ways devs could balance it:
1) damage reduction is lower than a full shield. Defenders have half the armor rating of a shield. so perhaps the new defender only reduces incoming fire damage by a lower percentage
2) no dragon breath attack. a charged DFS has the added effect of being used as a weapon to shoot a blast of dragonfire at a target. now its not overly powerful ... but it is a mechanic .. .and one devs could simply opt to not include
3) no hp boost. a fully charged shield buffs your hp. the defender might not have that effect

29-Oct-2021 13:46:54

Kopaka
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While you're correct that we live in a world of magic etc, it doesn't explain why the regular Anti Dragon shield is what I described: fire-resistant wood.

Unless these Anti Dragon Defenders are going to have a magic requirement or something, I don't see how magic existing in the world plays into it.

Prayer requirement would probably make more sense, as we have a prayer which helps us resist dragonfire, but no spells.

Anyway as I say I think it's a good idea I'm just a little disappointed with the hit to 'realism', i.e. believability.

01-Nov-2021 21:46:03 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2021 21:46:35 by Kopaka

Narangren

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Kopaka said:
While you're correct that we live in a world of magic etc, it doesn't explain why the regular Anti Dragon shield is what I described: fire-resistant wood.

Unless these Anti Dragon Defenders are going to have a magic requirement or something, I don't see how magic existing in the world plays into it.

Prayer requirement would probably make more sense, as we have a prayer which helps us resist dragonfire, but no spells.

Anyway as I say I think it's a good idea I'm just a little disappointed with the hit to 'realism', i.e. believability.


Is it any less realistic than the defenders deflecting damage from desert heat? When I discovered that, the idea of realism on these things went right out the window.
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16-Nov-2021 15:20:38

Kopaka
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Well for that matter, defenders can already deflect Dragonfire. The problem is that it's not often enough to be a viable alternative to other forms of Dragon fire protection.

16-Nov-2021 17:06:19

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