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Vekon

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CrocoNuts said:
Sorry but doesn't anything done in excess have the potential to spiral out of control and be unhealthy for roleplay? By your logic I would argue that OP Mahjarrat characters, flawless undead characters and heavily erotic vampyres are way more up there than zealotry.

What even are the examples of roleplays had on the server that you think are reason enough for zealotry to be on the list of clichés?


As far as zealotry is concerned, there really hasn't been any RP with that theme for a while. Hell, even the stereotypical assassin "cliché" is a thing of the past, now.

I don't personally think it's a necessary addition to a thread like this, but even if it were, I feel like the list of things you could consider a cliché would be far, far too long. A few popped into my head instantly:

Insanely attractive characters
"Masters" of their respective skill (smithing, typically)
Combat Experts
Edgy Ancient Mages
Infallible Characters
Immortal Characters
Mages in general
Nobility/Royalty..

You get the point.
What exactly did you have in mind for the purpose of the list? Since this is meant to be a guide and help thread, are you suggesting that people avoid those clichés? Or is it simply just there for "did you know clichés are a thing"?
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16-Nov-2019 03:33:31

RiDaku
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Waychaeology said:
Why does a guide on roleplay mention and disparage three so-called "cliches?"


Because like any guide, displaying certain negatives is equally important. It's not telling you "Don't do this", it's telling you "Watch out for too much of this" or, alternatively, "There used to be too much of this". It's letting people know in a specific sense (in the "Antagonism" cliche, for example) that if they enter in to a certain genre of RP, so for this example, antagonism, that they should expect certain hesitations or conditions for their antagonism. Once upon a time, the act of an antagonist showing up and waving their ambiguously evil arms in your direction was an exciting prospect, however as time went on, people became less and less likely to respond cooperatively to that unless certain stipulations came with it. Such as, "Don't branch past this area", "Don't destroy too many things", "Is this a takeover attempt, and if so, do you respect these resources we have".

If your question was regarding it holding negatives, I'd be far more appreciative of an instruction manual on how to operate my toaster telling me what things could damage my toaster, my food, or me. Similarly, having a cautionary section for RP elements that were abused in the past could equally serve to save roleplay, characters, or the reputations of the roleplayers themselves. I've personally seen quite a few go down the drain because of indulgence in certain themes.

So, yes. The Cliches section is not currently listing any overdone or abused themes or archetypes that exist right now, as that could be seen as subtly attacking people or some form of flamebait. For example, Gale's listing of "Combat Expert" could be viewed as a subtle jab to a way I described one of my characters in my examine text a few years ago in accordance to his title in a Guild of Heroes RP. That's not to say that it is, but it could be. So I'm listing past ones.
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16-Nov-2019 04:40:01

Doc Doctor
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RiDaku said:
Waychaeology said:
Why does a guide on roleplay mention and disparage three so-called "cliches?"

Once upon a time, the act of an antagonist showing up and waving their ambiguously evil arms in your direction was an exciting prospect, however as time went on, people became less and less likely to respond cooperatively to that unless certain stipulations came with it. Such as, "Don't branch past this area", "Don't destroy too many things", "Is this a takeover attempt, and if so, do you respect these resources we have".


In other words, roleplayers turned into whiny ass bitches afraid of losing their Epeens in logical, freestyle warfare. Practicality and realism, or at least as much as can be applied to Runescape RP, should dictate what players can and can't do, not some POC owner terrified of his npc army failing to protect the empty castle he's too lame to actually be willing to fight for.

I remember when players put up their dukes and stood with their back to the edge, ready to fight to the bitter death to protect their land. These days when you want to fight, rather than laying down basic ground rules to maintain common sense and decency, you have folks throwing around all these conditions, ragequitting en masse and refusing to acknowledge threats out of pure, utter cowardice. It's the primary reason I left for like two years, and when I came back, surprise surprise, the first battle I get into is an absolute debacle, with some of the worst excuses I've ever heard. And that's really what it comes down to.
Too many excuses. Too much whining and pandering. Instead of fighting the good fight you have players resorting to meta-means to avoid any risk of conflict all together.

I can't condemn them enough, but they know who they are.

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20-Nov-2019 16:30:21 - Last edited on 20-Nov-2019 16:42:13 by Doc Doctor

AmBatmun

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Doc Doctor said:
I can't condemn them enough, but they know who they are.

~Hint hint... "NO MAGIC ALLOWED" -*Aaaaand they resort to magic and ragequit twenty minutes later*-

The fact that you feel the need to condemn anyone over something so insignificant that happened half a year ago is one of the problems with this community. And it entirely misses the point of RiDaku's post.

Let's put silly grudges behind us, please.

21-Nov-2019 17:34:38

Lord Pyro I
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AmBatmun said:
Doc Doctor said:
I can't condemn them enough, but they know who they are.

~Hint hint... "NO MAGIC ALLOWED" -*Aaaaand they resort to magic and ragequit twenty minutes later*-

The fact that you feel the need to condemn anyone over something so insignificant that happened half a year ago is one of the problems with this community. And it entirely misses the point of RiDaku's post.

Let's put silly grudges behind us, please.


Why certainly, if you stop doing the things that spoil the RPs for the rest of us. It is perfectly legitimate to raise a complaint about something if it is an ongoing problem for you.
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21-Nov-2019 19:01:12

CrocoNuts
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I think what you are looking for with your posts about RP clichés is a post about moderation and balance. The information is sort of there but it's scattered amongst a multitude of posts and I am also not sure how a list of out-dated and/or non-existant clichés is going to contribute to informing folks coming allong it for the first time.

I'd delete the whole thing, pluck some things from your response and maybe add a list of types of roleplays that are more prone to be overdone and cause community backlash so that you don't condemn certain types of roleplay by shoving them into the cliché-corner.
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22-Nov-2019 06:25:19

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