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ShawnBW
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Now that I've had some time to look at 117's HD plugin, I think it's time I finally give another post on here.

The graphics of the HD plugin are really just about all I, and I suspect just about everyone who supported and still supports HD graphics, actually wanted from HD graphics on OSRS. Although, there are some exceptions where I could ask for more, but the overall look and feel is exactly where it needs to be. The only real changes I still want from it are particle effects and better animations that nullifies the need of Runelite's Animation Smoothing plugin, but given how the HD plugin was fan-made, I'm never going to be asking the creator of it to do that work.

I still look forward to what you, Jagex, have in the works. I also have a friend who's also really wanting some HD graphics for mobile, as he only ever plays on mobile, but while he's excited for the possibility, he seems to be more on the side of expecting it to never happen. I'm actually more hopeful that it will, and I'm also guessing improved animations will be added to the game with your own HD graphics solution.

When you do release your own, please allow 117's plugin to continue being used, so people can choose which they wish to use. I understand if you want to look at graphics changes on a case-by-case basis, but given how 117's has now be approved, please keep it that way unless they do something to it which goes against the game's terms of use.

And, though you have reversed your decision and have approved it after all the backlash from the players, I suggest using the situation as a learning experience. If your first news post wasn't you outright banning it, but was, instead, you saying you're getting in talks with 117 to determine whether or not to approve it, I don't believe there would've been any anger. Regardless, however, you did listen to the players and reversed your decision, thus that grants you some respect, seeing as you could've doubled-down, so I thank you for that.

16-Sep-2021 15:36:38

ShawnBW
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ShawnBW said:

Continued from previous post...

As for those who are still against the HD plugin, I've noticed that they tend to be the types who will simultaneously state to people to use a 3rd-party client if players want HD, but then also hypocritically state that 3rd-party clients need to be banned altogether, thus leaving for no option. Those same individuals will constantly argue against HD graphics and strawman players who want it by telling them to play RS3, even though RS3 is a massively different game and nowhere near an option for those who want an experience that OSRS grants.

The enjoyment one may receive from a game is based on many factors, but one of those factors is most certainly the graphics. All of what has transpired leading up to, and the subsequent release of, 117's plugin is proof positive that there is a large number of players who wanted HD graphics. Even despite those graphics being optional, those same people who keep saying to use a 3rd-party client for it, despite also saying to ban those same clients, also commonly ignorantly state that HD graphics being optional isn't possible, despite the countless sources of proof, including 117's plugin, to the contrary.

Unless a 3rd-party client doesn't comply with the terms of use, it shouldn't be banned. 3rd-party clients the likes of Runelite actually show you, again being Jagex I'm referring to here, ways in which the game can be improved, but without the need for your own R&D. By allowing them, you expand the base of ideas beyond the realm of your own company and allow the community to think of ways to better the game. Although, I suspect you're already aware of this, given the additions you've been making to your own clients, so all I can say is keep up the progress you've been making.

16-Sep-2021 15:45:32 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2021 15:57:16 by ShawnBW

ShawnBW
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ShawnBW said:

Final post, continued from my previous 2...

Lastly, for those who are hating on Jagex for allowing 117's plugin and for creating their own HD graphics solution, I suggest everyone just ignore them. The smallest dogs always bark the loudest, and they don't appear at all indicative of the player base as a whole. Strawman arguments will be common if you try to argue them, but the dispute isn't even necessary, as the decisions are done and final. Jagex has clearly made their choice, and I, just like a large number of others, very likely even the majority of the rest of the players, agree that it was the right choice to make.

@CM Nick

Please, update your first post on this thread to link to the news posting I'll have linked below, so players who, for whatever reason, aren't seeing the news post can see that the decision was reversed. For this one time being, I'll respond to the most recent individual who somehow missed the news posting.

I also want to thank you guys at Jagex, as unless it was a coincidence, you seem to have listened to some of what I said in my first comment on this thread, by way of making a news posting for every update on the issue. Again, I thank you for listening to the players and allowing the plugin, and I look forward to seeing how your own work turns out.

PKRondeau said:
Someone please correct me if this decision has been reversed. I could believe they would but I have no TRUE answer.

Yes, the decision has been reversed, and you can see Jagex's news posting in the link below:
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/117scapes-hd-plugin-release?oldschool=1

16-Sep-2021 15:53:39

Dead Prince

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I'm glad to hear they went on a hiring spree, that's the wise thing to do! Writing the client in c++ was completely idiotic though - finding quality c++ devs, especially in the younger crowd, is an incredibly difficult challenge. Yes, it wouldn't take too long for an experienced dev to pick it up, but why would I waste my time picking up a skill that's not very portable to other companies? Java would have been the obvious choice for their client as this would have made it much easier to find engineers to work on the project.

> One thing you definitely need to realize is it takes years to make a new client with good functionality.

It can take years, but with a project like this, it's more of a manpower issue than anything. Furthermore, Runelite's client is open source and its license allows for Jagex to use that code themselves. If they wanted to put out a beefy client fast, the wise thing to do would be to clone RL and hire Adam to lead the project (I'm pretty sure that's the lead on RL). Even without Adam, cloning the project and working from there would have been a massive boost to productivity.
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16-Sep-2021 23:59:30 - Last edited on 22-Sep-2021 12:12:12 by Dead Prince

Draco Burnz
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Miu said:


I don't think it would be that drastic. Even if so, it'd be a worthy sacrifice to bring back some integrity to the game.


Yet i dont think the game could survive another round of that as it just barely made it through the first time.

Plus if this HD update is anything to go by, it just proves that the 3PC arent going anywhere any time soon if ever.

If anything, jagex might just get rid of their client as more ppl use 3PC over the "official".
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18-Sep-2021 02:43:07 - Last edited on 18-Sep-2021 02:45:11 by Draco Burnz

Draco Burnz
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Dilbert2001 said:
Right! The gimmick and dramas were good for popcorns the first few days, but as expected the whole graphics thing is just a non-issue.


Not really.

I still personally dislike this update as we were promised that the graphics wouldnt change.

Sadly like most other things, i guess jagex have to please the vocal minority.
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