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D E L A Y said:
RuneScape will never downgrade to a free to play game. Realistically, Treasure Hunter isn't game impacting unless you're spending hundreds or thousands of dollars in keys for xp, even then we don't have the statistics on how many players are actually buying keys at those rates and even then; why should it matter how they spend their money?

I don't see the correlation between new players and the assumption they'd invest in MTX. Considering how most games are nowadays, a majority of new generation players probably won't care. Look at WoW for example, you can literally buy your way to level 100, buy tokens for in-game gold, all while its $15 a month to play, on top of having to purchase WoW itself and its expansions. I don't see an outcry in their community.

If you feel P2P + MTX is a turnoff, that sounds like a personal problem. At the end of the day, I don't devalue my account or my grind because you envy or feel cheated someone spent money to get where you/they are.


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Dilbert2001 said:
NeuralNet said:
The guberment is coming, the guberment is coming :O

http://www.pcgamer.com/belgium-says-loot-boxes-are-gambling-wants-them-banned-in-europe


You got trolled. Belgium government has never said it is gambling and they never said they are going to do anything all. You can go to the same website and find another article correcting that April Fools mistake. I guess the Belgium government has probably given their editor in chief a wake up call. ;)

You may also wonder what happened to the UK Parliament Petition thread? What doesn't anybody bump it up anymore? The simple answer is UK has already responded a couple of weeks ago... and you know the result already. Sorry...
NOTHING


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Problem is this ruins the game experience for ALL people.


So false. Don't speak on behalf of everyone; please.


Agreed.

Sharp-shin said:
f you can't see it, you're living in a bubble; don't be shocked when it eventually bursts. > )


Again, no one person can speak for the whole community.

You few ppl are the ones who dont like it, not the rest of us.
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Miu said:
So why not improve the game for new players to encourage them to keep playing?


Tells me not to derail thread and does the same thing.

Ironic.

Whos to say new players wont enjoy th and actually stay because of it?

Yes i know the same could be said about the other side but once again, you think you know how other ppl will react when you dont.
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Dilbert2001 said:


Good question which is actually answered repeatedly by the players themselves who hate TH but instead of quitting, they bought Primier Club memberships year after year.

With or without TH, players will still pay. Only idiots will remove TH to make themselves less money. :D:D

If TH is really "bad" for PR, why do these people who think it is "bad" PR still pay for Primier priviledge in a "bad" PR game? Does it make them part of the "bad" PR? :D:D


I 100% agree with this^.
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Dilbert2001 said:
LOL. Why do all these people still play this game and use this forums if they think this game is "dying"? Or wait... they said the said "dying" thing 10 years ago. ;)

And you know why this game is actually not "dying"? That's simple. It is because they continue to make money from these "dying" players. :D


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Doorknob747 said:
You are seriously mistaken, on this thread P2P will ALSO complain AGAINST this removal of TH idea, while on the other thread mostly it will be F2P who would complain AGAINST my idea of making TH P2P only. This guy has like a larger audience that is going to be affected by this idea of his.


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Sharp-shin said:
Jagex's financial statements show that even if they removed *all* MTX (yes, all of them, not just TH), they'd still be making profit each year, so no, it is not needed, and they could easily remove TH and keep the game running. Of course the jmods are going to say that TH is necessary, but those are ambiguous statements to put up a good face in the public; the numbers they provide in their financial statements however, do not lie. > )


W/e the truth is, th isnt going anywhere.
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Dilbert2001 said:
TH is MTX. SGS is also MTX. Jagex and its employees live on MTX.

TH is optional. SGS is also optional. Nobody is required to pay any real money, or better yet, they can earn gp in game and use TH and SGS for no real money.

To me, there really should not be any argument on SGS vs TH. They are just game features that players can choose to have fun with, or not, with real money, or not.

When rational people have time to sit down and think, they probably will come up with the same conclusion of some Polygon editors. No matter how much they hate MTX., no matter how many 9000 word articles they write to blast MTX, no matter how unfair they think the world including the rating agencies like ESRB are giving them the cold shoulders...
in the end they still realize everybody is allowed to conduct their business, provide their ratings, and play the games the way they like to. The bottom line is they can't change it, so they will just have to live with it.
:D:D:D


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Dilbert2001 said:
What real world evidence shows Jagex will make more money from subscription if they remove TH? We only see the responses of the 30 users in the forums and some of them like TH too.

30 x $8 x 12 < $3000 a year.

Yes, everybody can suggest but good luck if you think Jagex really care about that $3000 a year that (1) isn't guranteed, (2) they will pay on time and (3) they won't charge back and remove TH that gives them a fortune? :D:D:D

Declining members? Big fat stupid joke as I have mentioned REAL WORLD FINANCIAL REPORTS showed members have been rising and are expected to rise this year and at least next. Oh should Jagex be shaking in their Ranger Boots if all these 30 players in the forums quit. :D:D:D


This^.

Says theyd make more money, yet shows no proof.
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Doorknob747 said:
reddit is a blog site. Bring something like a Wall street journal or New york times economy section. Then that is proof.

Anyone can post BS on Reddit.


See this is why ppl dont post "proof", someone will always say its "wrong" no matter where it from:@
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Miu said:
Membership isn't even 5 dollars for new subscribers (you know, the ones TH scares away)


Last i checked membership is now 10 USD.

So this is false.

Miu said:
). And OSRS does have MTX in the form of bonds. You seem to be under the belief that TH is the only form of MTX that causes cash to flow into Jagex's pockets.


Ofc some might consider bonds MTX, but most of the OSRS ppl youd ask would say otherwise.
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Miu said:
I just said membership isn't 5 dollars. ??? Yeah it's like 8-10 USD. Did you misread?


Nah you're just trying to save your hide.

Its 10 USD and everyone knows it.

Heres what you said:

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Membership isn't even 5 dollars for new subscribers (you know, the ones TH scares away)
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You are sadly mistaken rather. I don't have to say it the 9001 times that OSRS or even Classic or Whatever don't matter in Jagex's BIG PICTURE. They are projected to make 50+ mil profits in a couple of years with not just the current RS titles but more under their current monetization model. They don't care about the $5 or $10 a month from the 30 players in the forums, especially when they can see with their eyes closed that their business has been going up and they have been setting world records and winning prestigious rewards in the game industry in the faces of the hot air blowers who have said "Runescape is dying. MTX is dying since 2012". :D:D:D


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Miu said:
You'd have to deliberately go out of your way to misinterpret my message in that way, especially since it has little bearing on my post itself. You've already been told to stop arguing semantics so you should probably stop.


Im not misinterpreting anything, you just are trying to dismiss something you did say.

Also everyone including you and me were told to stop spamming.
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Sharp-shin said:
Killing 2 games slower isn't better than killing 1 game faster; they'd both die in the end. The real best solution is to remove TH on RS3 and focus on Solomon's store; that way, both games can live! > )


Nah then players would go about complaining about sgs...

I mean it is still MTX after all ;)
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Miu said:
I don't think Chronicle failed due to random posts on reddit. I trust if you have any opinions on Chronicle, that you'd be able to say something in your own words rather than selectively snipping someone's post from another site


Please read said post as it explains why it went under...

Plus that is my opinion on the matter thus it only makes sense to just show it.

I trust you have the ability to read what was said.
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Dilbert2001 said:
Miu, you are still arguing about semantics without any data of your own. For the 9000 times, it is still your own opinion without any data to support your claim "SGS would of course become more profitable if it had more cosmetics". Where did you get the "of course" from? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Good thing Jagex knows their business. That's why they made more money from MTX and among MTX, TH gave them more money than the other 2 means in 2017. That's the fact. :D:D:D

Good thing Jagex already told everybody twice TH is here to stay. Good thing Jagex amplied their statement by physically adding TH to the event calendar, hence establishing TH as a regular RS content instead of just a distraction. :D:D:D:D:D:D

Don't like that? Too bad but nothing you can do except don't pay TH and don't look at the TH events in the calendar. :D:D:D:D:D:D


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Dilbert2001 said:
Miu, in other words, you still have no real data to show but just your own hypothetical scenario.

You still don't realize Jagex doesn't care who play RS3, OSRS, both, or none as long as they pay.

And you are still here in the RS3 forums and not in the OSRS3 ones but just look up the Calendar please... Uh oh... TH is still running and you are still here. :D:D:D:D:D:D


This seems to sum it up.
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Miu said:
So, just like I predicted, IF jagex was seeing runecoins not doing too well, they could add additional features (i.e. runepass) to make it more marketable. Shauny is even discussing winding down on TH promotions, so it seems runepass was a blessing in disguise.


You do know they've said this before right?
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The problem with removing Th at this point in the game is that it's been in the game far too long.

Yes that includes the SoF too, they've taken their tole on the game and have already given an unfair advantage to many players, for example allowing famous youtuber A Friend to max with ease.

Many others may have also done this.

Meaning any new players will be at a disadvantage.

No support.


Pretty much.

Miu said:
And how long were rat pits in the game before they were removed?


You're pretty much comparing apples to oranges at this point.

Miu said:
f you acknowledge it's an unfair advantage, then it only makes sense to get rid of it.


Just because something unfair, isnt a reason to remove it.

Same could be said about literally anything.

Example, IMO comp cape is unfair so it should be removed right with your logic?
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Dilbert2001 said:
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OP certainly didnt remove himself, just focused on other pressing issues elsewhere.

And this thread going strong just proves what cancer MTX is and how much people hate it.


Going strong? You mean MTX and Jagex's profits? :D:D:D

Despite how much people "hate" MTX, they still spend a lot of time playing this game, even after they are maxed.


LOL
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Miu said:
Miu said:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/09/ea-defies-belgian-loot-box-decision-setting-up-potential-gambling-lawsuit/


Very interesting article

BUmp


Seems like you missed this like always:


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Yes, very interesting article. It only means EA is willing to spend more $$$ on legal fees than they will otherwise lose on taking away loot boxes from Belgium. They must have a reason to spend more $$$ and many years of time.

Most likely, their Sports community called for it. Likewise, the 2K Games Sports community voiced their opinions.
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Dilbert2001 said:
Celebration
Lamps on TH for the end of 2018 wasn't enough.

Look, Jagex is giving us
Fireworks
promotion for the new year and their happy 18 birthday. :D

They are not removing anything from TH, they are adding new and creative promotions. :)


Agreed.

Keep up the good work jagex :)
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Dilbert2001 said:
Suppose if Jagex followed the event of this idiotic ATVI saga and reduced MTX/loot boxes, they might be in serious trouble if a month later nobody else would pay them a cent. What would happen next? Most probably they would have to get rid of a lot of employees instead of adding new ones. They would also have to move much quicker into new projects.


Pretty much.
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Sharp-shin said:
Since Jagex is apparently a member of the "Fair Play Alliance", which allegedly doesn't tolerate cheating in video games, it's even more imperative now to get rid of Treasure Hunter, which is exactly that: cheating with your real life wallet! > )


TFW th isnt "cheating".

Definition of "cheat":

cheatDictionary result for cheat
/CH&#275;t/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: cheating
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
"she always cheats at cards"
2.
avoid (something undesirable) by luck or skill.
"she cheated death in a spectacular crash"
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Tom Grey said:
TH did so much damage already that even if it’s removed, nothing would change. Old players won’t come back. Current players won’t enjoy the game more. Toning down on promotions and keeping th cosmetic would be a courtesy for the players, but we know jagex too well, that this won’t happen.


As much as i can see why ppl dont like it, this is how it is sadly.

So either deal with it or move on.
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Sharp-shin said:

People didn't see MTX happening prior to it did either, yet it still happened, so MTX could be removed just as well as it was added. After all, MTX isn't something that's larger than life; all it'd take to remove it is for Jagex to remove its code from the game's source code.


Yea I see jagex removing one way the make profit right quick....

Plz think before posting.
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Sharp-shin said:

Probably not voluntarily, true, but both government regulation and the inevitable decline of the playerbase due to the MTX would force them to.


Uhh, I don't see the playbase declining in any way.

The only reason the numbers are so low is due to the lack of bots.
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Sharp-shin said:

RS3 has supposed to have been clear of bots for years now (this isn't the first time someone has tried to blame the lack of bots for the decline), yet the playerbase only ever continues to decline long term. I bet you that if we have this conversation again a year from now and nothing changes, you'll just blame it on the bots again, despite them supposedly being gone already.


Nah no games will ever truly be free of bots as theres always going to be ppl who cbb to play within the rules thus result to cheating.
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OSRS already been "confirmed" as the more "profitable" game? Confirmed by what?

Confirmed by then nosediving "80k OSRS "playerbase" now or about half it had a few months ago?

Confirmed by the rising RS3 "playerbase" since 4 months ago in the face of the nosediving OSRS "playerbase"?

Confirmed by the substantial and sustainable TH and Runecoins sales of over Ł24 mil last year, solely exist only in RS3?

Confirmed by the 180% u-turn where OSRS is forced to embrace NEW SCHOOL ideas of live events and e-sports like DMM and pseduo gambling of the latest trending Battle Royale in LMS where players are going to be wagering gp they can instantly get from selling the Bond MTX hoping to win more gp in game?


Yea if any game is "declining" in playerbase its osrs not rs3.
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Tenebri said:
i wouldnt say remove it completely. keep cosmetics on th. but remove xp from it. even though damage has been done already


Meh.

At this point was really so bad about having "buyable xp"?

Like you said its beyond the point of no return so might as well leave as is.
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Sharp-shin said:

Why would you be okay with keeping cosmetic MTX? If Jagex started selling a cape cosmetic on TH that was similar to (trim) comp cape but slightly better, would that be okay to have because "it's just cosmetic"? I don't think so, cosmetic MTX also damages the game and is unacceptable in a P2P game, because it devalues existing non-MTX cosmetics or it won't sell.


Id be ok with that.
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Dilbert2001 said:
ELITE STACK said:
It's 2019 and ppl dont buy keys? You will be laughed at if you never bought keys.


I bought keys only with gp earned in game (via bonds), and only used them on cosmetics promotions.

Essentially to me, TH is just another regular game play content. There is no MTX factor to me.
Yep, TH is just like skilling, PVM, or questing.


Couldnt agree more.
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th legit gives players the ability to go from 1 to 120 even 200m in a skill in like a day or less


Yea id love to see actual proof of that happening.

Only time you probably can is during certain promos.

Even then you might hit buy limit.

Besides that its not really possible even with th.
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^You do know the games always going to have bugs right?

So with your logic, we might as well remove the whole game as im sure theres been more than a few bugs with just this weeks update alone.

As one of my favorite animes said about game, and yes this is paraphrasing, theres never going to be a game that 100% bug/glitch free as that would mean making a "perfect" game and humans just arent perfect.

So removing TH just because of its bugs/glitches is a null subject.
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Acra said:
Remove TH, and stop the war between players vs company. As a LONG time player of this game I would NEVER want to meet anyone from Jagex. I feel we are at an all out WAR with each other. I would NEVER refer friends to play this toxic corrupt game that is all about stealing the players money. Not actually about the player's experience in the game anymore.


So are you willing to pay increased membership fee if they did remove TH?

You do know thats the more likely thing to happen right if this idea went through.
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Houdini O_o said:
No support. Why?
Because there are millions of individuals in the world.
And not everyone plays games the same.
It's what makes being an individual so wonderful.
Jagex is accommodating ALL types of players.
Everything from the hardcore to ultralight players.
To those that spend endless hours a day/week to those who don't due to obligations.
Businesses MUST accommodate ALL TYPES of customers in order to thrive.
And remember...just because something is OFFERED doesn't mean you have to use it.
You can simply choose to ignore TH or any other microtransaction related content.
No one is being FORCED to use any of it. It's a CHOICE.
Don't be so narrow-minded about the way others may play a game.
Just enjoy YOUR account(s) and YOUR accomplishments/achievements.
Support your friends/other players no matter how they choose to play.
SUPPORT individualism
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+1

Stop trying to force your way of gameplay onto others.

We arent forcing it on you so plz show others the same respect.
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25-Aug-2021 11:59:45

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Miu said:
Why should overloads be available through skilling if Jagex can just make money off them?


Im sure jagex still has some dignity left to know that theres some lines that just shouldnt be crossed.

This being one of them.

So hopefully this wont ever happen.

Miu said:


Portables should be available through the game.


No support.

Jagex is already going to take a hit from removing everything besides xp from TH.

So considering TH is supposed to make them money, hopefully they dont make it any worse.
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29-Sep-2021 22:03:57

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Theos said:


- XP/GP rewards devalue the accomplishments of others - With the recent TH changes, the amount of XP/GP (From Silverhawks, springs, magic notepapers) gained is absurd
- Gambling element (For folks who find it addicting)


You could say the same about new training methods as those also "devalue" other ppl's accomplishments, yet no ones complaining about those.

So considering ppl seem to be ok with those, it makes 0 sense why ppl should be attacking TH when theres other things that cause the same problems.

As for "gambling", it isnt considering you always get a prize.

Thus its false to call it gambling when it isnt.
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Dilbert2001 said:
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Considering the uk law is regulating the duel arena and th, I support full removal of th. First it starts with regulation then removal.


TH has nothing to do with duel arena. Duel Arena is player to player gambling but TH is absolutely not. We can't RWT with TH anyway.


Agreed.

So why ppl are trying to mix 2 things together that dont need to be mixed together, makes 0 sense.

Just because some ppl might have personal issues with TH isnt a reason for its removal.
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14-Oct-2021 10:49:32

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Miu said:


Using bonds for treasure hunter supports treasure hunter. It's just buying keys, indirectly.

Also, I don't want to "limit how people can get keys." I just want TH removed. Simple as.


Well unless you can deal with jagex introducing something else to take its place, which could possibly be worse, then this isnt ever happening.
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07-Nov-2021 07:22:30

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Dilbert2001 said:


Isn't it good that RS3 listened to players who want the game to be more play to win and less pay to win?


Yet it wasnt "pay to win" as the armor and whatnot is inferior to the non-TH variants.

Plus its not like you could wear or use any of them before you got the req lvls.

So why ppl are making a big deal over armor that follows all the same rules is baffling.
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