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DráGoldfire

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I believe a lot of players would appreciate if there would be a possibility to toggle visibility of certain pets of other players, such as drakes.

Those creatures are across half of game screen (which is way too oversized) and as they move their wings it is so annoying that it hurts my eyes. In fact I am unable to stay around such places with pet drakes even for a short time since it is too disturbing to my activities.

Therefore a choice whether we want to see certain pets of other players or not could solve this unpleasant feature of the game.

Please support if you share my feelings.
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01-Nov-2018 10:33:57

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Update [15-Aug-2019]:
Should it help a realization, alternative solution could be a toggle to downsize flying forms of drakes to somewhere between 1 twentieth to 1 tenth of their original size. This would still keep them visible, yet it could greatly eliminate negative effects that arise from their current size.

To anyone willing to help: Please, feel free to forward this thread to relevant active channels, where anyone from Jagex could be present and watching for players' opinions (Twitch, Discord, etc.) Your willingness may bring the community long-desired necessary updates. Many thanks.


Ignorant / selfish / trolling / provocative reactions will be automatically ignored by myself (other players are free to discuss though). These are mainly (but not limited to) empty suggestions to:
- hop worlds
- scroll / zoom / rotate camera
- leave the area
- change hardware
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 10:34:12 - Last edited on 16-Aug-2021 09:41:51 by DráGoldfire

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Supporters:


1. Imbasketball
2. Vexcel
3. Whatusaytome
4. Tahlzar
5. Esploratore
6. Dethklok 152
7. Where 152
8. Fairy Newt
9. Fire Hawk154
10. David James
11. Woody Chain
12. Meda
13. UrekMazino
14. Removed-out
15. Runzu
16. Howey
17. Beniqn Corax
18. Hayamo
19. Ms Cole
20. Solivagus
21. Jodeceii
22. Aria Ventus
23. Teutotes
24. Davidson 32
25. Pop O
26. Queen Farli
27. Micki
28. xCross
29. AhmadM
30. Laith
31. Illuminasti
32. WywrnWarrior
33. Old Kush
34. Saber13
35. Dagz
36. Gwyndolynn
37. xBlack_Hawkx
38. I ate all
39. Kronhos
40. Nightfox
41. Miss Mudds
42. Yammaniow
43. Casombra
44. Lephorage
45. Sk8terdude
46. ShirleeKnott
47. Deltaslug
48. Hamo200
49. Cleanup on 5
50. Melizor
51. JayPar16
52. I AM Alex
53. Empress
54. Kupariparta
55. HC Whatusay
56. Taric of Ice
57. Mega Duck
58. aJxx
59. FadeawayBron
60. Teawater
61. HenryOldfart
62. Mighty Lord7
63. Heinzchen
64. Rooo

Big Thanks to all of you. We keep going.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 10:34:38 - Last edited on 31-Dec-2021 21:07:30 by DráGoldfire

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Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 10:34:50

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You may now post.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 10:34:59

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Those who choose to see them would still be able to. Contrary to that, players with drakes cannot make those who do NOT want to see them.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 10:45:45

DráGoldfire

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Also consider the weight of the arguments: lust for showing off vs delivering unpleasant experience to others.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 10:48:28 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2018 10:59:03 by DráGoldfire

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Sharp-shin said:
DráGoldfire said:
Also consider the weigh of the arguments: lust for showing off vs delivering unpleasant experience to others

Adding another option to a mess of options would do just that: deliver an unpleasant experience to others. The amount of toggles and other unnecessary options is already too high, and making it worse would be, well, even worse, surprisingly. Not to mention that because some pets are purchased with real money, people have already bought them under the premise that everyone will see them.


That's just your opinion. I think benefits would greatly outweigh possible cons.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 11:02:05

DráGoldfire

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Sharp-shin said:
DráGoldfire said:
Sharp-shin said:
DráGoldfire said:
Also consider the weigh of the arguments: lust for showing off vs delivering unpleasant experience to others

Adding another option to a mess of options would do just that: deliver an unpleasant experience to others. The amount of toggles and other unnecessary options is already too high, and making it worse would be, well, even worse, surprisingly. Not to mention that because some pets are purchased with real money, people have already bought them under the premise that everyone will see them.


That's just your opinion. I think benefits would greatly outweigh possible cons.

Naturally you'd think that, but given your lack of arguments to support it, it's quite clear that you're thinking like that out of personal bias to wanting it, rather than having considered the bigger picture.


I suppose that the arguments given above are sufficient to comprehend. Believe or not, should Jagex ask it in some kind of poll more than 75% players would support this idea. Drakes are just annoying to majority.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 13:25:56

DráGoldfire

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When there are polls in OSRS, vast majority of questions dealing with additional options end up at 80% or above. If Jagex gives players a possibility "to toggle something" (or to be able to choose as they play) there is literally no reason to refuse it or if so, it is mostly only negligible.

Also, from other side of view, disagreement to dismiss drakes if they are disturbing may be viewed as intolerance.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

01-Nov-2018 20:14:50 - Last edited on 01-Nov-2018 20:19:21 by DráGoldfire

DráGoldfire

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Thanks for adding to the discussion. Just like Imbasketball noted, the broader personalization the better.

But as for the hiding of pets I am particularly against drakes which are visually noisy, often cover other things, which in fact may limit activities of more players within certain area and time.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

08-Nov-2018 10:00:43

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They are still there and still annoying.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

27-Nov-2018 09:24:15

DráGoldfire

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Imbasketball said:
If you bought your pet for me, I'd like the option to say I don't want it. Thanks but you wasted your money if you only bought a drake to show me.

Why aren't you satisfied with the people who won't hide them? Why must you force everybody?


This ^
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

27-Nov-2018 12:28:08

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DracoáBurnz said:
Ghazgkull said:
if drakes can be made invisible then i want a refund.


This^.

Jagex would not care.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

28-Nov-2018 08:28:54

DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:
DráGoldfire said:
Imbasketball said:
If you bought your pet for me, I'd like the option to say I don't want it. Thanks but you wasted your money if you only bought a drake to show me.

Why aren't you satisfied with the people who won't hide them? Why must you force everybody?


This ^


Just because one person is ok with this isnt enough for this to happen.

TBH, it doesnt matter how many want this as it'll only end badly for jagex.


It's not one person only. Of course, a poll would reflect community opinion better than a forum thread.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

28-Nov-2018 08:33:18

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No no man. A poll would be quite fine. Looks like someone is desperate about they could lose their useless cosmetics which are uninteresting to the majority of other players.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

12-Dec-2018 08:55:42

DráGoldfire

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Thanks for your support Draco. Taking your messages into consideration I feel my suggestion has something to say, otherwise you wouldn't engage so vigorously. ;)
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

19-Dec-2018 08:55:09

DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:
Whatusaytome said:
Should you expect a refund? No, you saw an advertisement and got sucked in, and you feel entitled to more than you paid for. And you just can't accept that other people don't appreciate what you did with that decision you made.


Just because you dont like something isnt a reason for a disable feature.


It is not disabling. It is customizing.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

02-Jan-2019 13:09:55 - Last edited on 02-Jan-2019 13:10:17 by DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:
UrekMazino said:
He's not disproving your point, he can't, because you didn't have a point in the first place. He was just correcting your word choice.


Thnx for admitting that he didnt add anything for discussion.


My original reply said enough. Of course, trying to twist the meaning won't lead you anywhere.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

07-Jan-2019 10:23:43 - Last edited on 07-Jan-2019 10:27:52 by DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:
Whatusaytome said:
Regardless of a person's reason for not wanting to look at your pet, be it an obnoxious eyesore, or lag causing, or just a preference. This toggle, and any like it, literally does no harm to anyone.

It doesn't stop anybody from getting the pet. It doesn't mean nobody will ever see your pet. And it's not a toggle that would stop them from seeing anything that matters, like a summoning familiar.


Considering some ppl will have this on, if they stream or w/e with it on, no one would know they exist.

Thus jagex would get less sales and would be overall pointless.


This is just highly hypothetical and the real impact (though obviously just indirect) would be around zero.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

07-Jan-2019 10:32:42

DráGoldfire

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I am particularly against drakes, which are the most visually messy. I do not mind other pets, as I mostly use one as well, but I bet that a seahorse does not bother anyone compared to oversized drakes.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

10-Jan-2019 08:25:45 - Last edited on 10-Jan-2019 08:35:07 by DráGoldfire

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Actually I don't think that dev time needed for such a simple thing would ruin Jagex's budget.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

18-Jan-2019 08:28:00 - Last edited on 18-Jan-2019 08:30:15 by DráGoldfire

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RustyáChisel said:
Sharp-shin said:
No support, part of the reason why people acquire pets is because others can see them, so it'd be unfair for them to not be able show them to everyone around them. If you don't like company like that, you can hop worlds and/or switch locations (where applicable).

Additionally, it'd clutter the options interface even further (K.I.S.S.) and add extra work to QA to ensure that the game works with both it toggled on and off.


I totally agree. It's nice to let others know what pets you have. :)

Nice you say? For what share of players?
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

22-Jan-2019 11:42:46

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Also don't forget to take into consideration that some players may already have grown older and those take the gameplay more practically. And I would say there is a fair part of such long-playing people, so it would be certainly unwise to ignore them.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

27-Jan-2019 19:13:37 - Last edited on 27-Jan-2019 19:17:11 by DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:
UrekMazino said:
They can by implementing OP's suggestion.


Not really.

Jagex would just shoot themselves in the foot as theyd lose out on money.

If you dont know how id suggest rereading the thread for the answer.

Or theres the possibly you just dont care.

Can you source your opinions about that my suggestion would make any significant loses or is it just your argument on purpose that you do not want to give your cosmetics up?
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

03-Mar-2019 10:33:51 - Last edited on 03-Mar-2019 10:37:11 by DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:
WoodyáChain said:
Fully support this thread, W84 CA is a mess some days with so much clutter.


Why not go some place else then?

Why should few cause unpleasant experience to many?
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I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

09-Mar-2019 14:45:24

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Yet it is not just about portables. Even if it would be there is still the thing why should the vast majority suffer because of few individuals.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

10-Mar-2019 10:52:20

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Meda said:
Support

I don't own a drake specifically because they're an eyesore.
If I don't subject others to an unnecessarily crowded screen, why should I be subjected to one?

Good point. Sadly, some people are just selfish.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

19-Mar-2019 09:04:28

DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:

Yet its your choice going to places that are known to have them frequent.

Soon, there will be a choice whether we want to see cosmetic pets or not.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

26-Mar-2019 11:37:44 - Last edited on 26-Mar-2019 11:40:05 by DráGoldfire

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Yesterday I came across the invention of certain startup company. Something like a sunglasses, "visually blocking contents from LCD / LED screens" on the streets, which mainly run ads of course. According to someones logic from my thread, the advertisers should now want their money back or should they want to invest less in such form of ads? Or maybe there is just something wrong in the stated logic.

As for the invention itself, it seems to be a great idea. It gives people a possibility of choice.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

14-Apr-2019 02:34:29 - Last edited on 14-Apr-2019 02:40:36 by DráGoldfire

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Ahura said:
There's always going to be pets that due to their movements and/or size cause distraction or make your gameplay a little more difficult to do, but should we have a toggle for everything? The issue of drakes actually causing problems for you and not just being annoying in your eyes because you simply don't like the sight of flying drakes, is rare, in those very few cases we can simply hop.

I'm not saying, neither requesting a toggle for everything individually, but who ever needs to see class of legendary cosmetic pets. Those could be completely filtered out with no negative consequences at all.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

14-Apr-2019 19:45:26

DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:
DráGoldfire said:

I'm not saying, neither requesting a toggle for everything individually, but who ever needs to see class of legendary cosmetic pets. Those could be completely filtered out with no negative consequences at all.


No ones forcing you to see them besides yourself you know?

One day, your ignorance towards others will reach you.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

15-Apr-2019 08:07:54 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2019 08:12:45 by DráGoldfire

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Strikeá1260 said:
Whatusaytome said:


He didn't say anyone would get angry.

Just that ppl who want this "toggle" are the ones angry as they for some reason don't like drakes.

Also the only one forcing you to do anything is yourself so I don't get where you think anyone else plays a role in that?

Those reasons have been clearly stated throughout the thread.

Forcing is meant to be done by those players who disagree with ability to toggle off certain pets by other players which do not want to see them, as they are for given reasons unpleasant to them.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

22-Apr-2019 16:25:31 - Last edited on 22-Apr-2019 16:27:15 by DráGoldfire

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Whatusaytome said:
It wouldn't make anybody angry. Just like turning off pet options doesn't bother anybody.

Point is, it literally only affects the user of the toggle and there is nothing changed about anybody else. So you need to get over yourself and stop forcing your pet on everybody around you.

Exactly, those drake fans would not even know who blocks their cosmetic followers.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

22-Apr-2019 16:34:04

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Sigmarthus said:

1. With above-current-average HW and the fact that I am an ISP, this is probably not the case.

2. On the other side, there are players, I would say a majority of players, who are paying to Jagex as well. I personally pay with bonds, which does not provide them less money as if I paid directly (as they still enter the game via other players, which buy them for real money). Plus I consume much more bonds since I use them to buy xp during promotions (lamps, stars, proteans, etc).

Just in case you haven't known, there is this in Terms & Conditions:

"All intellectual property or other rights in any game character, account, content, virtual currency and virtual items in the Jagex Products are and will remain the property of Jagex and/or its licensors. You are only granted limited permission (which can be revoked at anytime) to use such content or Jagex Product, subject to and in accordance with these terms and conditions.

NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY HEREIN, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOU SHALL HAVE NO OWNERSHIP, TITLE OR OTHER PROPERTY INTEREST IN ANY JAGEX PRODUCT OR ACCOUNT, AND YOU FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ALL RIGHTS IN AND TO AN ACCOUNT ARE AND SHALL FOREVER BE OWNED BY AND INURE TO THE BENEFIT OF JAGEX."


"Your" neither "mine" neither "anyone's else" accounts, items, and anything else regarding the game are propery of Jagex, which therefore can make changes as they like to.

The only valid law to do so is supply and demand.

3. To remind of, you do not own the cosmetic drake. It is not your property.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

24-Apr-2019 22:55:43 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2019 01:32:57 by DráGoldfire

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Sharp-shin said:

I wouldn't like to advertise any brands, but just letting you know, that the HW can easily maintain ultra details, should be enough. At the end, I never told that any of those cosmetic pets, neither anything else would cause me lags. Only time I lag on the world 2 is during BXP weekends, regardless the place, yet that will most likely be a problem on the server side.

As I said few months ago, a poll would sort out, whether or not players support my original idea. Jagex could even ask how strongly are players concerned about particular groups of pets.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

25-Apr-2019 08:46:56 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2019 09:42:49 by DráGoldfire

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Sigmarthus said:

Alright, considering that Jagex is UK based company (services that you pay for are provided, billed and taxed there as well), as well as the fact that US laws apply on the US grounds only, what particular measures would there be should they alter their property (according to Terms & Conditions which you agreed with upon your creation of account)?

Regardless the laws, I strongly doubt you would get any refund even if you submitted it on a US court. Probably nobody sound of mind would accept that a situation when other players block visibility of your cosmetic pet is truly an alteration. On the top of that, I believe that trial expenses would be far higher than the cost of cosmetic drake, therefore I don't think you would like to risk additional money as it would be way too uncertain whether or not you could even succeed. ;)
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

25-Apr-2019 08:57:42 - Last edited on 25-Apr-2019 18:37:20 by DráGoldfire

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I really wonder at what age people do care about whether their stuff is shown to everyone around them or not.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

02-May-2019 13:12:07 - Last edited on 02-May-2019 13:25:07 by DráGoldfire

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Good news, it seems like Jagex is aware of the effects of certain pets. I believe the restrictions will soon be extended to global toggle.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

02-May-2019 20:43:56

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I didn't say I request a toggle based on someone's trolling. My suggestion is based on the fact of usage of drakes as is (and its effects), regardless of the players' intentions.

So no, what you say is not a point of my thread.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

05-May-2019 09:29:04

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Whatusaytome said:
This threads not about fixing trolling. It's about wanting to see other people's pets, primarily Drakes, being optional instead of forced. Which in turn ends a form of trolling at the click of a button optionally.

Which, is fixed (sorta) in one area now! And when the positive feedback takes over hopefully they expand on it.

Regardless, ALL of the current reasoning against this thread didn't stop them from doing it for the combat academy, so I'd start giving better reasons if I were you. ;)

0umaáKokichi said:

This is well said. I'll just add more to that against Draco. Pets should be bought because people actually like them, not because people want to cause other's misery. It is how they were advertised - functionally, cosmetically or even both. I don't see they were advertised as 'buy these pets to annoy a friend or foe!' Therefore, the buyer shouldn't worry whether or not others can see their pets. If others can't see your pets they won't get annoyed by it. However, you yourself can continue to use and enjoy the look of your pet so it's a bonus to both sides.

You know about the examine thing hmm? Draco, please tell me you don't actually run around telling everyone to examine your maxed stats because you have privacy off and want to brag?

Just like you say. We do continue. Many thanks for persistent support to all of you who understand my idea.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

24-May-2019 19:24:35 - Last edited on 24-May-2019 19:28:27 by DráGoldfire

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Jodeceii said:
Big support, they're often just irritating..I use my skilling pets if i'm going to have any pets/familiar overrides..drake is just irritating for myself let alone anyone else

Thanks. True, neither I don't mind normal pets or familiars. I usually have a seahorse following me. I just can't stand those oversized helicopters (drakes) for already given reasons.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

24-May-2019 21:06:17 - Last edited on 24-May-2019 21:07:28 by DráGoldfire

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DracoáBurnz said:
UrekMazino said:
No it can't, players don't take up 4 tiles of space and don't have very annoying idle animations that causes major lags on pc.


Uhh, players do cause laag tyvm.

Just go to the portables world.

If you realize this, then you will surely agree that no additional drakes are welcome in such places.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

25-Jun-2019 08:49:12

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mramazingguy said:
People paid money for those pets. No support.

Even more people, which do not want to see them, pay money to play as well.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

03-Jul-2019 07:01:21

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ThunderáJinx said:
@ OP, I don't know why you bother bumping this over and over, it's obviously never going to happen. You need a reasonable alternative if you actually want Jagex to change anything.

The first line of your signature kind of responds to your question.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

13-Jul-2019 12:17:43

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Immortalized said:
no support, I specifically bought this pet to annoy people you can't take that away from me without a refund with interest

Technically, for majority of people, statements like this are taken as a support of presented suggestion as well.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

16-Jul-2019 08:58:21 - Last edited on 16-Jul-2019 09:00:07 by DráGoldfire

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Immortalized said:
Whatusaytome said:
Immortalized said:
Whatusaytome said:
You bought it specifically to annoy people? I wonder what happened to the achievement banner when people did the same thing? I doubt anybody who bought that got a refund.

You really just sound like an entitled brat.

don't care, i didn't buy the achievement banner
well nobody who did got a refund. Same thing will happen here.

Combat academy is test #1 to this idea happening, next step is applying it as a personalization setting! They just need more positive feedback from those people training who no longer have to worry :)

the combat academy was a good update, i rather have my pets be personalized than outright banned. there are many areas where pets etc are banned because of this issue and now that we have technology to personalize it we should extend this to those areas where they are currently banned. an outright toggle for all pets will never work and is totally different however. imagine toggling someone's summoning creature that then kills u in pvp. it just ain't gonna work and if you think jagex wants to program all the special conditions to make it work when they're making a profit off of pets like drake then u need to think big picture. drakes are here to stay and if they were hidden jagex wouldn't make money off it. there's plenty of legendary pets to buy, you can't take away the only incentive to buy drake over the rest

Alternative solution could be toggle which would allow miniaturizing drakes to for example 1 tenth of their mature size. Then they would still be visible yet they wouldn't cause extensive visual mess. (size of a starfish should be acceptable)
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

18-Jul-2019 14:56:52 - Last edited on 25-Jul-2019 10:29:18 by DráGoldfire

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Whatusaytome said:
I'd like to go back to something I think OP said.

Let's look at the weight behind these arguments.
1: supporters care about better smoother gameplay for all. As a simple, optional, user-side-only toggle.
2: nonsupporters only care about showing off, whether it makes people lagg or not.

You only care about yourself and that makes your argument worth nothing.

Thanks for continuous support. Plus I would add that the growing number (as well as significant share of around 80%) of supporters should already be high enough to be considered as a background for the proposed change.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

21-Jul-2019 18:48:02

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Xavathos said:
You have no right to tell other players how to play their game and frankly, I think there should be a list of those opposing this change as well, to give a realistic perspective.

I am not sure, whether you understand the point of my suggestion and I only run a list of majority (of around 80%).
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

06-Aug-2019 10:33:00 - Last edited on 06-Aug-2019 10:54:18 by DráGoldfire

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Xavathos said:
I understand that you want to turn off pets, because you find them annoying. Well, others may like their pets and actually want to have them out for whatever reason, especially to show others. Bragging rights are probably the most common reason for it.

Personally, I own drakes too and I never have them on their adult form, because I find it annoying as well and don't want to be a bother to others. So I get where you're coming from, but I don't kid myself. If someone else wants to rock their drake in all its glory, then they should absolutely be able to do so.

So again, you don't have the right to decide for other players. I can't support this.

I wouldn't say it is about bragging on both sides. It's more like 80 to 20, where within that 80, there are legitimate reasons like those oversized drakes are able to cause lags to certain portion of players, or they can even have effect on physical well-being of some players from among the major group as well. Simple toggle could, however solve those unpleasant effects.

On the other side, within the minor group, there are claims that they have right to show up what they own, no matter what severity of problems it can cause on the other side. Maybe those players lack attention in real life, so they wish to compensate it in a virtual world. But they should be aware that selfish attention is not an appreciation.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

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13-Aug-2019 09:42:42

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Xavathos said:


DráGoldfire said:
...to defend players who are being trolled by notorious trolls, which consistently derail constructive discussions by provocative tone of speech, far not only in this topic. Please, take a closer look at poster from which I defended others
I wonder who it was, because I missed that post.

No worries, it was not meant to be you. Despite you are not supportive, you discuss in a way that I don't view anyhow wrong.
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14-Aug-2019 09:07:49 - Last edited on 14-Aug-2019 09:08:45 by DráGoldfire

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MráGatsby said:
Alright, personally I enjoy seeing drakes during events, which is why I got one myself. No support for toggling them off.

You would still be able to view all of them if your toggle wouldn't be applied. I just see no reason why would anyone want to enforce their preferences to other players who may not like it.
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I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

14-Aug-2019 09:18:47

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DracoáBurnz said:
UrekMazino said:


Why should others have to suffer just because you choose to use a potato?

No naming and shaming is desired. No exceptions.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

15-Aug-2019 00:48:43

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Xavathos said:
DracoáBurnz said:
UrekMazino said:


Why should others have to suffer just because you choose to use a potato?


Well, maybe it's not his choice to use a bad system, maybe he has no choice, I don't know. It's his choice to have others pay for his frame rate though, that I'm talking about. He's reaching out into the world and changing it, affecting other players, to better it for himself and himself alone, when the issue he has in this case is a consequence of a fact he knew ahead of time. I just don't agree with the way of thinking.

All this could so easily be fixed by just asking someone to put their pet away. No discrimination between certain pets required.

*sigh* No, it's not about making personal world better for himself alone (as we are majority of around 75 - 80% which desires presented suggestion to be applied), as well as it's not about affecting other players (in fact toggleability would not affect anyone in a negative way).

Contrary to that, it's about fixing a problem, which is reaching far beyond selfish claims of minor group. (Yes, it is selfish, when someone tells other player that their oversized drake worsens their physical well-being, and the owner still argues, whether or not there should be a toggle to filter them out globally). I am repeating it once and again, consider the weight of arguments for and against and try to do it impartially (imagine you are in none of the groups).

After all of the mentioned, does it still make sense to ask owner by owner to hide their drakes individually? Or would a global toggle be just way more practical and harmless for either parties?
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

15-Aug-2019 11:05:56 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2019 11:06:29 by DráGoldfire

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Please, implement.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

26-Jan-2020 08:08:04

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Thank you for support and just disregard the above trolling.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

06-May-2020 10:46:47 - Last edited on 06-May-2020 10:46:59 by DráGoldfire

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Silentb0b said:
NO Support. It's called legendary for a reason. I paid for my drake through bonds. I bought it because of it's size. If it bothers you that much. Hop worlds. Not everyone has them, due to their high cost.

Trust me I use more bonds buying xp and other stuff (than some cheap drakecopters do cost), mostly during promotions and I don't want to see your drakecopter, since it bothers my enjoying of the gameplay. According to the logic of your post, more bonds paid should give my opinion bigger weight.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

09-May-2020 20:19:21

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DracoáBurnz said:
DráGoldfire said:

Trust me I use more bonds buying xp and other stuff (than some cheap drakecopters do cost), mostly during promotions and I don't want to see your drakecopter, since it bothers my enjoying of the gameplay. According to the logic of your post, more bonds paid should give my opinion bigger weight.


With this logic i should also get what i want and be able to hide players/NPCs as they bother me.

So until that happens, i dont see why you lot should get what you want.

Jagex cant have favorites after all.

Do you have a feeling that you need to add your opinion to every post or that your opinions are desired at all?

There's a wise rule: "I don't go where I'm not wanted."
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

10-May-2020 08:59:55 - Last edited on 10-May-2020 09:02:40 by DráGoldfire

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It's not about forum rules yet more about personal borders (like respect, sound self-appreciation etc.).
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

11-May-2020 12:36:32 - Last edited on 11-May-2020 13:00:34 by DráGoldfire

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Silentb0b said:
DráGoldfire said:
Silentb0b said:
NO Support. It's called legendary for a reason. I paid for my drake through bonds. I bought it because of it's size. If it bothers you that much. Hop worlds. Not everyone has them, due to their high cost.

Trust me I use more bonds buying xp and other stuff (than some cheap drakecopters do cost), mostly during promotions and I don't want to see your drakecopter, since it bothers my enjoying of the gameplay. According to the logic of your post, more bonds paid should give my opinion bigger weight.


No, I didn't imply that whoever buys more bonds should get their way. I'm pointing out that most people don't have them, due to the cost. So any inconvenience to you is minimal. I feel you're being selfish. I see a drake once in a blue moon.

Question yourself: Who is more selfish? The one who makes others to see what they don't want to due to objective reasons (read the thread) or the one who just want to hide such a thing without doing any harm to anyone (you wouldn't even know that others would be hiding a drake of yours)? And logically, should it be overwhelming majority to have that toggle active, then it's probably bothering them and such a situation would answer your dispute about who is being selfish.

And no, it's not once in a blue moon. Right now I've seen 3 at GE and another 2 visually spamming my screen when moved to Burthorpe.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

18-May-2020 03:57:53 - Last edited on 18-May-2020 04:33:00 by DráGoldfire

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Thanks for continuous support
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

22-May-2020 02:18:58

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This is still a problem. Consider my suggestions.
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I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

24-Jul-2020 03:56:01

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As for now I still can see drakes in Grand Exchange for example. Customizable and globally applied setting would do the job better. Thanks for all the support. We keep going.
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I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

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24-Sep-2020 10:26:02

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Tuffty said:
Removed a few posts to keep the thread on track.

@Draco Burnz.

Please stop trolling. You have made your point. It's been replied too so now is the time to move on.

Thank you.

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@Dr Goldfire

If someone posts something you may not like then it's best to ignore it and carry on as if it was not there. If it on the other hand breaks Forum Rules then please report it to Forum Help thread and let the F-Mods or CM Staff deal with it. Fighting and replying back will just disrupt your thread.

Thanks for understanding.

Yes I'm trying my best. And thanks for noticing.
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30-Sep-2020 01:38:13

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Drakes into trash
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31-May-2021 01:32:14

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As you may have noticed there were no drakes, neither other pets visible at the beach this year, which means Jagex realizes their negative impact. All we need is just to remind them, that we are having the same problem at different locations as well.

To anyone willing to help: please, feel free to forward this thread to relevant active channels, where anyone from Jagex could be present and watching for players' opinions (Twitch, Discord, etc.) Your willingness may bring the community long-desired necessary updates. Many thanks.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

13-Aug-2021 04:10:10 - Last edited on 13-Aug-2021 04:12:27 by DráGoldfire

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Thank you for the support.

To anyone willing to help: please, feel free to forward this thread to relevant active channels, where anyone from Jagex could be present and watching for players' opinions (Twitch, Discord, etc.) Your willingness may bring the community long-desired necessary updates. Many thanks.
Everything, ranging from sub-atomic particles to galaxy clusters, has its dynamics predefined. And then there are people claiming that systems like economy, society or other human sub-systems are in our hands.

I deliberately don't buy things that are intrusively advertised.

15-Aug-2021 01:41:20 - Last edited on 15-Aug-2021 01:41:53 by DráGoldfire

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