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Dilbert2001

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Stoic n Vain said:
I'm not sure if you understand my original post.
Regular Excalibur boosting defence by a small amount, but putting all healing ultimates on cooldown doesn't seem like a great quest reward to me... O_o

It shouldn't be putting ultimate healing abilities on cooldown - there is no relevance between them. Only enhanced Excalibur has relevance, as that has an ability that does heal.


A lot of content have cooldown in this game, not just abilities or enhanced Excalibur. For instance, Disruption Shield which is a Lunar spell, not an item or even an ability. Nobody should doubt the usefulness of Disruption Shield.

Nobody said all quest rewards have to be "great" anyway.

21-Aug-2021 18:38:30

Dilbert2001

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Stoic n Vain said:
There's nothing wrong with it having a cooldown in a general sense.
The problem is that it shares a cooldown with something that's unrelated.

Enhanced excalibur's shared cooldown makes sense whereas regular excalibur's doesn't.


What unrelated thing Enhanced Excalibur shares it cooldown with?

27-Aug-2021 15:39:20

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Stoic n Vain said:
Regular* excalibur's boost (which provides +8 defence points) has a shared cooldown with all ultimate healing abilities. That's what's unrelated.


Because +8 defense since 2002 has become antiquated if not means very little as new buffs from just the lowest tier normal potions give higher boost that that.

30-Aug-2021 17:13:19

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Stoic n Vain said:
The fact that better boosts are available doesn't justify an unrelated shared cooldown imo.
Regular excalibur is an infinite source of defence buffs, and it only requires 1 inventory space.
As such, it's still a helpful buff. It still has use even in this age, especially for extended combat trips, poor players, low level players, or ironmen.


It is a matter of spending time on completely antiquated content that even Andrew Gowers didn't bother to look at in 2002. Why should we care about a really outdated item even lowbies doesn't use in 2021?

31-Aug-2021 16:53:22

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Stoic n Vain said:
I wouldn't say completely antiquated. I gave some examples in my previous post.
Also, for consistency sake. The shared cooldown is unrelated. It would be a very easy ninja fix I think.


It is completely antiquated as it came out in 2002. Don't forget it is a T30 offhand item, which is equivalent to a mithril offhand. Unlike the Enhanced Excalibur, it is required to be equipped to activate for a defence buff even lower than we get from the lowest tier potion.

Like all mithril garbage antiquated since 2002, nobody and not even Andrew Gower cared about mithril crap, not even in 2002.

01-Sep-2021 16:09:58

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ROFL! If mithril has its place, then Andrew Gowers would have done something to improve T30 in 2002.

T30 garbage like Excalibur doesn't need to be updated, especially when the Gowers had decided enhancement and improvement to make the Enhanced Excalibur rather. Antiquated content needs to be either enhanced and modernized to the present standard if they can be, or simply be thrown away if it doesn't worth the time.

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Stoic n Vain said:
I disagree. New content is new content. Old content is old content. Both are relevant depending on what stage you're at within the game. Inconsistencies should be fixed no matter how old or how new. That's my opinion.

If your logic prevails, we now have t95 weapons... therefore all t92, t90 and below content should be removed or updated and if those are updated, then the new t95 weapons need to be removed or updated. The cycle continues. How will people train up their stats? No relevant weaponry is available to train up with. I guess you'll be punching those npcs until you can equip the t120 weapons, which are now the only weapons to exist in the game. Those "antiquated" weapons no longer seem so antiquated and are entirely relevant in the game today and always will be, as a stepping stone.Stoic n Vain said:
That's irrelevant to this argument though.
The argument is an unreasonably shared cooldown between two unrelated effects.


You can disagree with me and/or Jagex but I don't see it makes any difference.

Nobody is removing T92 or T90. Neither is anybody removing regular Excalibur. Everybody in Jagex is just moving forward and focus on the new T95 instead of going backward in time with old content.

04-Sep-2021 16:54:18

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Old content is only important when they can be improved to new content. As such we have the useless regular Excalibur upgrading to the more modern and useful Enhanced Excalibur. Similarly, we see the older gear like Gloves of Passage getting upgraded and modernized to Enhanced Gloves of Passage.

07-Sep-2021 17:16:32

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^^

I don't know why you need to quote a quote of another same quote of your own. Spamming 3 times on the same "bug" you think doesn't make it 3x as argumentative. You can just file 1 bug report for this 20 year "bug" if you think it is a bug, you don't need to even file 3 bug reports.

08-Sep-2021 16:28:27

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Stoic n Vain said:
You made similar statements. I couldn't be stuffed making something new, especially since I think what I already said is sufficient anyway.

TBH it's not a "bug"
it's just something that has been overlooked.
A new item was made and they forgot to treat that item's effect's cooldown differently to the old one's.

It's hard to describe exactly what it is - and "unnecessary activate ability shared cooldown between "regular" (not enhanced) excalibur and all ultimate healing abilities" would be quite a lengthy title.


TBH, the title of your thread
"Reg* Excalibur activation bug"
completely contradicted what you now wrote "
TBH it's not a "bug"
"

Perhaps you should give yourself sometime to sort out your own contradicting thoughts first. :)

09-Sep-2021 17:26:00

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@Stoic n Vain

So do you still think this is a bug in the regular Excalibur? If so, just file a bug report.

If you changed your mind and think it is not a bug, then you should accept it is Jagex's intention ever since 2002 when Andrew Gowers introduced the regular Excalibur and subsequently UPGRADED the garbage version to the ENHANCED version we still use in endgame encounters. If the Excalibur is going to be changed again, they will be evolving the Enhanced Excalibur to even better version. Garbage like the regular Excalibur should even be UPGRADED to Enhanced Excalibur or ignored by the players due to natural selection.

10-Sep-2021 16:22:14

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If it is "overlooked" then Andrew Gower overlooked it for 20 years.

If you think it is a bug, why don't you just report the bug?

There is also threads for Q&A frequently you can ask Jagex questions so they don't "overlook" whatever. There is even one in these RSOF this week. Why don't you go there and ask the question?

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11-Sep-2021 03:55:58 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2021 03:56:53 by Dilbert2001

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Stoic n Vain said:
True. Stranger things have happened. As I said, I don't think it's a bug.
Why is posting on the rsof not enough?
I'll take a look.


Because you are not even posting in the right RSOF. There are specific Game Content Suggestions forum for RS3 players, and Old School Content Suggestion forum for OSRS players, to make suggestions on things Jagex "overlooked".

14-Sep-2021 15:31:16

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Stoic n Vain said:
Game content suggestions is for suggested new content. I use this section of the forums even more regularly than this existing game content forum, because I'm highly creative. I disagree with your statement, as excalibur is existing game content and I'm suggesting a fix to existing game content - not new content.

Also, regarding the Q&A, I did one better than posting on that forum, and posted directly into the discord. Thanks for the suggestion.


You are suggesting new content that Jagex haven't been considering ever since its release in 2002, hence it is new content suggestion. Don't you realize no Jmods comes to the Existing Content Forum anyway. ;)

Discord is another option for suggestion too. You just go to where the Jmods frequent to make suggestions, instead of just complaining about whatever is ignored or overlooked as likely nobody cares.

15-Sep-2021 22:36:41

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