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You might want to put in the thread that at least one location per week is given out more than one clue.
This week at Rest I got 3 for the South of Ardougne; Around Ardougne and the Kingdom of Kandarin clue all for our little friend now trapped inside the south Yanille Wall!
Just thought ya might want to add that information as well!

04-Feb-2009 17:36:43

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Elipile:
While I did not get that clue after the reset; that clue would offically make 4 clues for one location.
I do think that it could have been an oversight on Jagex part of not updating all the clues.
None-the-less very interesting information!
Really makes ya wonder if Jagex is trying to switch things up for us.

04-Feb-2009 21:32:31

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Actually;
South of Ardounge has been used for Gnome maze as well as; Yanille; CW; and a few times around the ogres; reset locations and have remained the same clue even though they moved around.
I know I go at least 4-5 times in a reset week to see if they have changed and have gotten the same clues as reset day; except for this week.
CW has also had the clue along the ardougne west coast line; which was seen up till 5 weeks ago.
Another reset location that has this clue was the observatory and red slaly hunting areas.
Around ardy has been from gnome maze; clock tower; khazard reset locations as well as witchhave and legends guild reset.
Jagex picks a clue they want; they are not set.
Also the clue does not change becasue a penguin wanders from one part of ardounge to the other or is forced from one area to another.
An example of this was last week with the clue "Where Eagles fly" this penguin was driven from its original area clear down to Ardy Church and then players were calling this the ardy penguin.
The clue did not change; because the penguin went from one area to another.
I have noticed this with the WWM penguin when it is seen clear over in Varrock = the same clue through out the week.
My comment about Jagex switching things up = changing clues to Locations and experimenting with them...not switching the clue mid week....
I do think you are over thinking this whole thing.
Way to amny players are reading way to much into the penguins.
Also Jagex has left some clues such as the lumber yard penguin with vagueness when in the past it had a specific sawmill clue as was the case the last time a penguin was placed in this area.
Thus throwing off what players have come to expect.
The clue is attached to each individual penguins start point and remains the same throughout the week; just because there are more than 1 clue for a location does not mean ****pirisy

05-Feb-2009 01:05:21 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 01:07:40 by Lady Secret

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This is what I find extremely amazing that your little clique seems to think that YOUR the experts on penguins.

Just becasue I do not observe penguins every single minute on World 60 does not mean that I have not been watching other groups on other worlds.
NOT just World 60!
Fact Jagex does not have the man power to sit around and code clues when a Penguin goes from point A to point Z etiher by it self or being forced.
Fact When I was watching what was being done to the Eagle Peak Penguin I went to Larry several times; and got the Exact same clue time and again; Then when it remained in Ardougne for over an hour again I was back at Larry going through all the clues and still was given the "EAGLE PEAK" Clue.
Why did I do this? Because a high leveled player that is a Programmer; who runs data and code as a complete geek knows tons about this type of thing; asked me to go Larry; when he would PM in game to find out as a penguin was being moved from EAgle Peak to Ardougne had changed clues.
I would get a message and I would go to Larry and get all the clues again.
I recieved the first clue given and an occasion other clue as a general Area such as "Kingdom of Kandin.
You need to understand coding programs and have a sense of what it entails to remotely get an idea of how it all works before you make comments as you have.
There are many players in RS with massive amounts of the workings of programs conducting thier own observations on Rev's, Penguins, Imp's and Randoms....
The only reason I know aobut them is I was approached by no less than 5 of them to help them gather some vital information for thier own experiments; they do the main work; while I gopher and provide additional information that helps them with thier Expert understanding of how RS works.

05-Feb-2009 13:18:59 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:19:40 by Lady Secret

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Several of thier own observations were put to test this week; and even blown out of the water.
When all of us on different worlds experineced the same set of clues with ONE Clue missing.
OOOOOOOOOOOO yeah one clue is missing - and per thier understanding they have thier own ideas and thoughts on this.
Now with the many updates getting ready to be released and the complexity of the releases; compared to Penguins/Stars/Circus....do you honestly think that a penguin crossing over from one area into another area triggers different clues?
Cuz since thier release this group of programmers that I know in RL and on RS have asked me to witness thier observations first hand.
And I must say and I am exteremly impressed with what they come up with already....
Your observations just like mine could be a bit off!
Thier information has provided me with a great paper on programming for my University Course work this Semester!
So much so that a Professor of Computer Sciences (Degree from MIT) and Teaching Degree from Cambridge; who is now at my University is conducting his own investigations to disprove the work my peers and I have conducted thus far.
Only 2 have been disproven that of Randoms and Imp's...
OOOOOOOOOOOO well Ya can't win em all....
But you cannot close off your mind to others and what they have come up with either.
My peers are still conducting thier own investigations; of which have left me humbled in my theories.
The peers that I associate with are only doing this for fun; when they get bored with other coding and programming work...I do this as a hobby only scratching the surfaces that they know all too well!

05-Feb-2009 13:21:04 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:21:19 by Lady Secret

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I am open to other possibilities....but not when they are conducted in a maner that only confirms what you want it to confirm.
This is not practical theorum nor does it prove much!
It only opens your theories up for a way to punch through some surface applications.

You state one observation you made as fact; I point it out and again you state it as fact; only on the previous page to completely change your mind.
If you do so please at least have the courtsey to say look; I was a bit off on that idea.
When you put coding into fitting a theory or your own idea; you need to remember that we are not the programmer that came up with the data and coding and only they truely know what they coded; the type of coding and how they coded a certain bit of information.
As state by My Professor; every single gamming programmer in the world could be given the same exact set of permeters to program in; using the same code and each and every single one of them will program it differently causing a different result each time.
You cannot take the Human elemental/factor out of the equation.
As in all honesty we were not in the chair at the main frame programming the penguins; were we?

05-Feb-2009 13:35:29 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:22:16 by Lady Secret

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Fisktalon:
I have not talked to my peers today; we are planning the last weekend in Feb to do some observations; I will let ya know and yeah you can join us.
With that Ardounge penguin I recieved 4 clues for him since this weeks reset....
Also on 3 of the worlds I was on yesterday the "South of Ardounge"; "Around Ardougne"; "Kingdom of Kandrin"; Near Ogres".... penguin yes 4 clues for one penguin the locations that I spotted this guy in were as follows.
I would world hop go immediately to Larry and spend about 30 minutes getting clues...
Ironically they were the same clues that I recieved at reset.
Only 4 of the penguins were where the clue was given.
I should have written worlds down but I didn't I let the computer select for me!
The Ardougne Penguin I searched for over an hour for he was not in/around or south of Ardougne he was a bush in Lumbridge Swamp near the Quest Start point south of Draynor Jail, Faldor Farm or Varrock minning East.
I found a Rock disguised penguin up on Wolf Mountain and one in the GE, Traverly and Seers
While hunting for penguins I would go back and re-check with Larry to see if clues were the same and as expected they were.
This has been a theory that one of my peers had put to us!
Unfortunately this being the 20th time that we did this we have now discounted his theory that penguin clues change when in fact they do not!
Although the Ardounge Penguin this week has 3 General clues and one more specific clue.
Because my group and I are trying to test out different things we have a control group of aobut 30 university students that have accounts that are confirming and blowing our theories to shreds.
These Univiersity students were enlisted from all over the world NOT just North America.
It was one thing that Our Professor advised us to do.
some of these students have asked thier friends to help; so they too are confirming or discounting the many theories that we have posed and come up with.

05-Feb-2009 18:37:33 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 19:05:07 by Lady Secret

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Each individual or in small groups, go to other worlds other than world 60 and at different times of the day/evening; just so we can get an sampling of may/not be happening.
Certain things have remained constant.
These are certain things that we have proven as fact!
At reset through an hour after; the first clue given is your main clue - any other clue for that is a general area clue.
If you find a penguin such as we have at reset in a certain area with a certain clue; this is the respawn location should an update occur or a penguin become trapped and respawn.
Penguins respawn like the Master Gardener in North Ardougne does - if trapped and they cannot move after a few m inutes they respawn to a location... The Master Gardener when trapped will relocate to just west of the building near the N/W corner; outside that building.
Sometimes he respawns with in a snap of finger and other times he has taken up to 30 seconds.
Time of Day and ammount of players on a world do not influence how long he takes.
We have discovered that the respawn time is random.
We had the fortune of several weeks ago being in South of Ardougne for Reset location....
The update and reset occured as I called out to my peers; one was in Feldup and 2 minutes later actually witnessed the penguin resest in front of him.
This bit of information sent a flurry of many of my peers to building on yet another theory. Unfortunatley being RL we are not always on at the exact minute of reset....
Although since last week we have a few volunteers that are in game at a certain time to ensure that reset day is covered and players can find out exactly what is going on.
My peers have come to the conclusion that World 60 is NOT condusive to observation; We have all come up and used Jagex guidline of finding penguins as you do your daily tasks.
This means NO world 60 observations except that which relates to mass groups of players.

05-Feb-2009 18:37:42 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 19:06:14 by Lady Secret

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There are but just a few peers that go onto this world for any observation = act react sequences t hat can only be reproduced when over 500 players are tracking, spying and hunting penguins.
My interest in the penguin programming at first was to crack the code to help players find penguins faster.
But when you have a small group of players that are manipulating factors then I gave up and look at this as way to find out how things work the way they do; and possible determine which programming code is being used.
BTW a few of my peers think it might be multiple programming code as was developed in Kansas for one of the first movies to use it = Jurasic Park.
(cannot remember the name but it was ground breaking technology at the time)
Now with multiple prgramming methods that can be interfaced on to one game; and touch screen computers; 3-D virtual screen placement it makes a programmers dream come true.
Unless we know ALL the elements that go into this type of programming my peers and I can only prove and disprove certain things in front of us while trying to create our own version of walking washing machines in obstructed and unobstructed areas of code = rivers, coast line, mountains, rocks.....
Yes washing machines = we did not use any copy written things that Jagex has.
It is very interesting information and fun at times; but I must say that by the Mid of May when the semester ends we will not continue with further observation... as it will be moot and pointless and the information gathered thus far has been enlightening to say the least.
Fisk I hope this helps you better understand what my peers and I are doing!
Thank you for your response!
Secret
BTW I am NOT an expert on programming I defer that to my peers; but I do enjoy helping and getting my papers written as well help prove/dis prove theories.

05-Feb-2009 18:50:38 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 19:03:07 by Lady Secret

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Lady Civet:
Everyone has thier own opinion about certain things; Yours experinece may be one that is postiive but I have witnessed in game the mere rudness; arrogance and nastiness from a SMALL group that asscoiates with the clan you mentioned HAS done...and I have witnessed it not on this screen name but on my noob account.
Back to the point at hand; what purpose does it serve for 50+ players with the clue "Where Eagles Fly" on world 60; move it from the Hunting Area to Ardounge?

It is NOT helpful to make a penguin respawn or move it from one location to another on Wednesday during the busiest time of day.
On this screen name I have witnessed many players working together to trap penguins into the Yanille Walls; in fact have helped on a few occasions to do so....this is helpful.
It is also helpful that when a player has a penguin in a area that they direct others to the direction they should go.

This is not comming from anger but from a point of disgust and being fed up.
I send a group of players not even associated with the chat that I use to a location only to find out that a select few decide it is time to figure out respawns or move it.
Only to have 20+ players come to where I am standing and all upset and dissapointed that someone had made a penguin teleport.

05-Feb-2009 20:33:46 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:13:49 by Lady Secret

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While I appericate the fact that players want a penguin in a smaller certain area to be able to help a larger number of hunters what good is forcing a penguin from one area to another when in less than an hour it was set lose by memeber of YOUR clan?
And I was one of the players trying to keep the penguin in the Ardy church.
If you want to help players find penguins quicker it is called non react observation.
You gather a group together discuss stragedy of observing and trying to enclose a penguin with making it respawn = serves no purpose in my informed opinion; as it only frustrates those on thier own with out clan help to find these critters.
I do know for a fact that thier are more than 20 clans on World 60 spying on penguins; in fact one clan asked if I would come into thier PVP chat and help guide them...Which I did...several times only to find out that penguins were made to respawn.
If anyone wants to help other players that is great; but not at the cost of ticking off the majority that are searching.
It is called common courtesy and consideration...
I have on more than one occasion been the only player around to re-track a penguin down and keep an eye on it while other players from other clans came to spy on the penguin and abuse me...this is not helpful.

Teh whole point behind observation is not to help players but to predict where a penguin might go using certain references that are basic in programming and watching thier movement to see if those predictions are correct.
With non re-active participation on behalf of those that observe; some of a penguins movement is program while the other part is random.
Example = Using Ardougne penguin...
The programmer gives it a clue or set of clues; there are no perameters save for walls, rocks, rivers, agility...

05-Feb-2009 20:33:54 - Last edited on 05-Feb-2009 20:46:23 by Lady Secret

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There is no reason for a penguin with a rest at Castle Wars not to be able to move as far as the Salve Temple or even down to Shanty Pass gates.
By this I mean this penguin could go any where it wanted as long as it's random path picking abilities are not hindered.
Or for The penguin that respawns at Magic Training to be able to travel all the way to Pic Hunting area or even the Relleka hunting area or Relleka itself; again provided that it's path is unobstructed.
By observations you can predict some movement and where it could end up...
Providing that players are not hindering movement!
This has been the main driving theory behind the observations my peers and I are trying to conduct.

Anger is not what has driven me to write what I have but to voice the concerns of many players that are frustrated.
And Frustration on my own part when I cannot help players because a few take it upon themselves to determine what should happen and the clues are still the same; thus giving false info to players.
Is this helping the majority of players?
I find it inconsiderate!
In conclusion the only reason I observe is to better understand movement to predict a possible outcome.
So far half of the teams predictions were proven.

05-Feb-2009 20:46:31 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:17:00 by Lady Secret

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Please refer to Lady Civets post = off topic.
My Point is this - There are many clues for ONE penguin; it is random on weather or not Larry gives one clue or several for ONE penguin.
This Week for ONE penguin 4 clues were given.
Another point - observation is the key!
Prediction of application is another resource and another point that will aide many players in finding penguins not just on World 60 but on ALL memeber Worlds.
When more than 30+ players all experince the exact same thing with an observation for more than 15 weeks and come up with the same findings then we have proven that the clues are given to a Penguins reset point NOT where it moves from one location to another.
Point when those 30+ also include others in discovery or de-bunking a theory then you need to take notice and figure out why; one player or a few get one set of clues and an entire group of other paleyrs gets something compeltely different.
Another valid fact is this.
The Lumber yard/ Sawmill penguin in previous weeks has had a clue that related to it's exact location and NOT the clue
"Located in the Kingdom of Misthlin" and this is a fact!
This is the missing clue that I refer to.
This is my last post on this thread as it is pointless when too many are too focused on thier own conclusions to see anything else; or even think that other possibilites exsist.
The reason for this statement is simple - I thought yeah great lets find respawn locations and the different clues for every LOCATION; until an aquintence that I absolutely despise pointed out some very interesting things that I have and had over looked.
If ya take your blinders off you will be able to see more than the road ahead but everything around that involves; penguin movement, reset, clue, respawn and what path a penguin takes in a given program or set of perameters.
I tried to help ya but it is obvious you don't want or care for it!
Good Luck

05-Feb-2009 21:28:51 - Last edited on 12-Feb-2009 14:18:48 by Lady Secret

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Quote Boomer page 4 last post

"Secret,
I have to agree with Eli in this entire thread. She has done *very* extensive research into the clues. I have done only a little bit, but I do see what she means.
I'll try to explain in other words if you don't understand:"
Then on page 6 first post with Lady Civet = completely off topic and you all expect a non defensive comment.
Now
For several posts you made it very clear that YOU did extensive research; and hinted in a round about way that I did not!
When you throw fuel onto smoke it will blow up in your face...
You all are playing the innocent victims and Secret is the big bad wolf.
Please take a look at YOUR condesending remarks and put yourself in my shoes!
I have stated and gave you credit for your observations; not once have any of you showed this in return; except for the posts where you seem to think that I was agreeing with your observations.
Now another ***dsending remark made - and this helps players how?
Condesending remarks are always taken badly; this is a bit of baiting which does lead to flamming...
You are all about trying to figure out all the clues and locations but do not give one consideration that other players have very valid points; that you seem to dismiss with the wave of a hand.
Fact - While you were driving that penguin no less than 10 other players were at Larry gathering clues on World 60 myself in that group; and other players that I do not know from a pile of beans along with other palyers that I do know.
Those players that I communcated with = every single last one of them never got any other clue except for "Where Eagles are Located"
You came back and stated that you got clues that moved with the penguin...
I have asked you to open up to the fact that yourobservations are wrong when so many players were calling out the Eagle Clue!

06-Feb-2009 04:49:00 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 05:01:51 by Lady Secret

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Furthermore I have also stated that how does one group of players that are not even remotely interested or give a hoot about penguin movement = Those players only seeking to find, search and spy on them get the exact same clues; as the majority that were interested in what clues Larry was doling out to players as a penguin moved from point Eagle, to point Ardy?
This is what I refer to take the blinders off and look at ALL the observations not just your own!
2 of my peers - notice I did not say friends = peers have watched this thread; taken in to consideration your observations as well our own.
They have been watching many threads on this subject; as I stated 2 of our own theories were blown out of the water.
And they too; think you are condesending!
I am person of principal; when look at something stated; such as your remarks; without so much as hmmmmmmmmmm.
I am left with only a conclusion of; you do not care who you hurt - you did hurt; I then responded like I did.
Also that you only are interested in the observations that agree with your own.
How can you prove or discount any theory when you do not take in to consideration all possiblities?
The personal attacks did not need to continue after I had stated that I was not going to post further; but these personal attacks have continued and I will not sit by and not state my case.
You are wrong, all of you for being condesending and in your remarks and replies to me; and you have come across as a end all; know all on this suject.
I am tolerant to a certain point; but when you type remarks, like you are typing to a 2 year old.
How did you think I would respond?
I have an education; I very intelligent and do not need to be looked down upon, as has been done time and again.

06-Feb-2009 05:15:04 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 06:00:58 by Lady Secret

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NOW for the topic....aaaaarrgggggggggg
When a massive amount of programming is done certain things tend to run into other areas.
Example:
On the Discovery Channel Last week they had a program about muscle and arteries and viens in the body.
How one artery although start in the leg and is called a certain type of artery goes up and into the groin and through vital organs and up to the heart...
Does this artery change names as it moves from one part of the body to the other?
No it reamins the same even though it carries the same life giving fluid and oxygen to the heart.
Yet Body parts are named differently.
Bear with I am about to make my point!
RS is the Body; There are Different areas that make up the body we can all agree on this; each given a different name.
But the programming carried over from one part to the other and intersects like arteries and certain muscles and nerves do. The programming does not change just as does the programming of how our bodies work.
The arteries carry life to the heart and viens disperse that life to the rest of the body.
This holds true with programming; you have a main program that carries messages to the entire game and then it breaks down into sub-routines...
What you are proposing is that each sub-routine is highly programmed to the point of hours upon hours of programming...
I am saying that with all the devolopement going on at Jagex that indeed it is not as highly sophiscated as you make it out.
With the new quest release "WGR" and other in game devolopments; it does seem you are overthinking what Jagex has done.
And with new devolopment getting ready for release and yet more hints of what is to come; I am betting that they have done basic programming; and allow the NCP to pick from a set of clues given to a set penguin a set disguise.

06-Feb-2009 05:15:31 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 05:29:00 by Lady Secret

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A basic program would look like
<penguin: rock>
Reset
......<location>
...............[mountian-ice]
<path> no obstruction
Start
*ice mountian]
north relleka
south lumbridge
east alkharid
west pictoris
<clue> kingdom of asgarnia
Now this is NOT correct programming way but it is simular to how it is set up....
Now the penguin wanders to Lumbridge as we all know it is possible it could so.
The program would then only change the end point of the penguin = south lumbridge...
Now I have given the short cut of what it would look like but you get the idea; and there is much more involved than what I have given and I am not saying that this is how Jagex programms; it is an example.
In all the basic programming of a penguin would have at least 20 lines of coding = alot for a small critter and to have as you put a penguin trigger another clue; I highly doubt it...
I am not saying that you are wrong but you have to consider other possiblities can and have occured.
With that in mind you need to be able to answer; on the same world are a few players including your self been given different clues as a penguin moved along when more often that not more players were given the Eagle clue?
This is being debated tomorrow by my peers in class...
And will be the topic of our online discussion world wide via a conferencing server amoung other student programers.
I am hopeful that one of them will have an answer late next week = hopeful...
As we cannot answer this question; I am almost certain that you will be unable to answer as well.
Am I brash and harsh in my statements?
You bet - but I take extreme offensive when others are being condesending to me = treating me as if I have no clue as to what I personally witnessed.
I leave it at that!
Any further personal attacks on me need not be posted!
Niether should further condesending remarks.

06-Feb-2009 05:34:01 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 06:03:29 by Lady Secret

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I do not claim to say that the above is the program that Jagex uses and I have no knowledge of thier programming.
Also I do not claim be an expert; only that which I witnessed and experinced.
Please refrain from calling me a lair I really hate it.
Also you were not at my computer screen watching what I watching; as I do know what happened with my character and the in game information that I was given.
And I sure as heck wasnt at your computer screen!
If you would like to further discuss this openly then great; but the persoanl attacks will not continue and you need to have an open mind.
Just as I have done when one of the 2 theories blown out of the water was my own; btw was eye opening!
(Just reminded of this by my peer)

06-Feb-2009 05:53:04 - Last edited on 06-Feb-2009 06:12:18 by Lady Secret

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I have edited some of my comments; it just seemed likek there was insensitivity to those that do not use your chat.
Boomer Apology accepted and please be aware that I was not trying to bait you!
Anyhow; this week was the first week myself and 3 other members of the group I observe with; recieved different clue as a penguin moved from "Deep in the Jungle" = Nature altar area to "Where Banana Smugglers Dwell" = the pub and POH portal area.
Also in this was the case for "Kingdom of Asgarnia" to "Port Sarim" Penguin & Clue....
We have not experince any clues different on any other penguins = including mr prickly cactus going from Al Kharid to other areas of RS = Varrock, digsite and even found in Draynor on one world.
We still got the clue "Northern Desert"
I do think that players are given clues randomly; we are not sure yet as we are still testing this theroy!
I still think before anyone states as fact and for gone conclusion =; that every player in RS would have to experince what you have set forth; and right now not every player experinces what you or I have set forth.

13-Feb-2009 21:15:51 - Last edited on 13-Feb-2009 21:17:49 by Lady Secret

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Elipile
Some notes of interest for all penguin hunters.
Over the past few weeks on other worlds I have been observing many curiousity with these rascals and thier mode of operendie.
The Low wilderness penguin when not being spied on or chased stayed at the SC and surrounding areas most of the week.
It had been for the most part with 100 squares in any direction of SC area this means from outside SC starting with the fence that surrounds it.
N.W. Ardougne Penguin Gravited to Seers Village again this week; along with going to Pic. Hunting area.
Burthurope penguin was seen from as far away as Lumbridge; Rimmington and Eastern Most Varrock to Seers Village as well.
And lets not forget that dasterdly cactus of Al Kharid; He seems to like the G.E. for some reason - although I am not quiet sure why!
I am t hinking that since they are supposed to be spying on us; this area seems to gravitate players from all over and thus this penguin likes to be here.
Also thier movement was studied in great detail by some of my peers.
It looks as if that each pengiun is given what is known as a set of varibles from which the program picks and choses what varible to use next.
Example:
Lets say a penguins movement is
* - y - q - g - s - e
(make beleiving this is code so bare with me)
But the programers have added in further code for a specific area of RS
Kandarin codes of movement are several such as
1.) q-t-u-a-b-m-w-j-l
2.) e-v-p-s-z-c-d-y-r
3.) u-c-i-u-w-h-k-n-t
4.) j-e-b-w-z-g-a-c-t
and lets say there are 20 sets of like code for area between just north of feldip hills to bax falls and over to catherby.
Lets say for the sake of arguement that the first line of code is the penguins reset value.
After that the computer randomly selects a code 1-20 and sends the penguin in that direction.
When a penguin reaches the end of that code.

24-Mar-2009 21:59:41

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The computer once again choses a set of coding 1-20;
Each set of coding contains which direction the penguin should move in for how long; the pauses it takes and the stoping point.
So even if the computer re-picked the same code again a penguin would still move so many xyz spaces providing that there are no obsticles blocking it and that it can move freely.
Everyone needs to note too how quickly they move from a trap once it is broken; it is like they took off cuase thier little tails are on fire...
And after a bit they do sometimes tend to slow down.
Also the program can tell - I believe how many players are in a given area or program grid of a given penguin.
This would account for the quick movement and the code not being repeated too often.
Or re-peated so often that is sends the penguin into overdrive.
Penguins not being spied on tend to pick a certain set of coding and once there tend to show the displays of a repeating code of movement.
This would account for the reasons why certain penguin become stuck at certain points or tend to be happiely peeking out of their disguise in certain areas for hours on end.
The penguin coding does resemble that of the famous winged rats we have in RS = Implings and simularily resemble the movement of REV's
BTW saw a Rev ork in SC trying to get into the pens = not trapped all of a sudden it dissapeared = it picked up on players entering certian areas of the wilderness.
I have noticed this with penguins as well; as soon as so many palyers get near a penguin it acts nutso; with fewr players it tends to cooperate in being hearded to entrappment and is a bit slower.
Just some interesting tidbits that popped up through these past few weeks.

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Needs to be noted here as well; this applies to the majority of NCP's.
The more players in the vicinty of a NCP; the quicker and irratic the NCP moves.
With fewer players around the slower and more methodical a NCP becomes and thus the likelihood of predicting coding movements as I did with the lower wilderness penguin even on world 60.
I was either at the exact spot ahead of him where he would stop or I parreled him for much of his run.
Just a few more facts; hope it helps others hwen tracking these courious little stinkers.

A few more courious facts as well; even if a penguin moves to a different grid lest say from south of ardy to catherby;
50% of the time it will trigger a new clue and 50% of the time it won't.
Again dealing with how many players are on a world, in the area of the penguin and how many are tracking him.
Yes these factors all take a part in the changing of the clues that Larry gives out!

24-Mar-2009 22:09:50 - Last edited on 24-Mar-2009 22:16:41 by Lady Secret

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Not sure if any of all have done the cabbages = taking them from Faldor to Oooglog.
If you have not made this attempt by using the tap option only; I suggest you do so.
The reason I say this is
1.) It will give you insight as to the movements of penguins.
2.) You will see the hidden obsitels that penguins bump into as they move.
3.) The time it takes for a program to figure out which way a penguin should go according to the pre-determinede programming.

06-Apr-2009 22:01:02

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Elipile
Hiya and wow what a reset....
Here is some inofrmation that might be relevent.
Last night at reset I got exactly 3 clues and not one other different.
1.) Where Pirates feel mostly harmless
followed by
2.) Where brothers quarrel - 3 times in a row
followed by
3.) Somewhere in RS
followed by
4.) Where brothers quarrel - 7 times in a row
followed by
5.) Somewhere in RS - 2 times
followed by
6.) Where brothers quarrel - 4 more times
by this time I had enough and had to call in friends to help me get clues...
I am not sure of the reasoning why Jagex would do this to a player....
As I am sure I was not the only that this happened to.
It would be a shame if this was going to be the mode of oprandi that Jagex is going to shove down our throats as I know many players that hunt penguins by themsevles or with a very small group of friends.
It will be interesting to see of Jagex works out this kink that I came across by next week.
Hope that this information helps let players know that if this happened to them - they are not alone.
Good Luck
Secretwishes

08-Dec-2010 15:08:28

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Okay guys here is one for ya and I got it 3 times tonight
"
Near
Dragontooth Island"
I have been on NXT since it came out and I have never gotten this clue;
Maybe the Ghost Penguin was on Dragontooth and is traveling over the water?
Or as it moves across the water it is a border between between how far the clues reach out to.

I did get a screen shot it.

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