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As written by IGN's Matt Kim, "Hong Kong is currently in the midst of a public protest that began earlier this year when the [local government] announced plans to enact laws that would allow China to extradite citizens from Hong Kong for judiciary reasons. Hong Kong citizens protested the laws, and while the city government has backed down from plans to enact them, the movement has grown as calls for liberation intensify."

October 6. Following his victory in a Hearthstone Grandmasters match, Chung was interviewed on the official Taiwanese Hearthstone stream by casters Virtual and Mr. Yee. During the interview, Chung wore a face mask, a reference to the anti-mask law recently enacted by China, and shouted, "Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our age!" The stream quickly cut to commercial, and on-demand footage has since been pulled from the internet.

October 8, Blizzard published an official statement, announcing Chung violated the 2019 Hearthstone Grandmasters Official Competition rules. As a result, Chung was removed from the Grandmasters and given a 12-month ban from participating in Hearthstone esports. Blizzard also rescinded the $10,000 USD in prize money Chung was set to receive.

UPDATE:
Blizzard subsequently reinstated the prize money and reduced the ban to 6 months.


So I personally think COMMUNISM IS TRASH, Jagex was owned by U.S. investors between 2012 and 2016, and is owned by Chinese investors since 2016. So if the same scenario would happen to a Runescape player, would they be banned(and loose prize money)? If so let me know ahead of time so I can stop playing/paying.

17-Oct-2019 06:33:33 - Last edited on 17-Oct-2019 07:59:39 by Kid Pepsi

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Hmm said:
You gonna boycot your phone, computer, TV, kitchen equipment, car, wardrobe, and all the rest too? Or is it only games?


Good Argument, but my fridge isn't going to ban me from eating for 12 months.

17-Oct-2019 07:19:42 - Last edited on 17-Oct-2019 07:28:42 by Kid Pepsi

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Tophurious said:
Kid Pepsi said:
Hmm said:
You gonna boycot your phone, computer, TV, kitchen equipment, car, wardrobe, and all the rest too? Or is it only games?


Good Argument , but my fridge isn't going to ban me for 12 months


never know. some of them are pretty smart.

That would suck, like communism itself

17-Oct-2019 07:29:36 - Last edited on 17-Oct-2019 07:30:02 by Kid Pepsi

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Archaeox said:
Kid Pepsi said:

October 8, Blizzard published an official statement, announcing Chung violated the 2019 Hearthstone Grandmasters Official Competition rules. As a result, Chung was removed from the Grandmasters and given a 12-month ban from participating in Hearthstone esports. Blizzard also rescinded the $10,000 USD in prize money Chung was set to receive.


At least give the full story: Blizzard subsequently reinstated the prize money, and reduced the ban to 6 months.

https://www.player.one/blizzard-reinstates-winnings-hearthstone-blitzchung-reduces-suspension-130670


Either way, don't you think the ban is a bit unfair for a simple gamer.

17-Oct-2019 08:00:08

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2_Tron said:
Tuffty said:
He deserved a 12 month ban.

What He did was wrong. You do not use a games platform to make satatements like that.

I would have banned him for 5-10 years or even life.
Of course it is your personal opinion and yours opinion only, to escape issues of any kind, but I could of course also request for for you to be demodded for such an extreme miss-use of power against a member of The RuneScape Community to scaremonger them permanently and give up give up expressing their opinion in public about a topic.

It is not that said player would start a campaign but ... it is about merely making an expression in-game in a whim and the effects of it.



Thank you , I support what the gamer did to use his freedom of expression/speech

17-Oct-2019 15:12:01

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Hmm said:
I'd have to agree with FiFi though, the whole China fiasco only blows up over a gaming event? People literally get killed by their own government and no one bothered to mention it. Someone gets banned from an online game and the whole internet decides enough is enough? China has been an issue for decades, and I don't feel the gaming culture is doing this justice by making it into a giant meme about Winnie the Pooh rather than the actual issues of propoganda, censorship, labour exploitation, systematical culture demolition and genocide.

Sure, any means to an end might be good enough. But this thread is about the likelyhood you might get banned for political dissent. It kind of misses the whole point of these are people actually dying, they have much bigger things to worry about than foreigners being banned from games.

They made a political statement with poor timing and got punished for it. The consequences aren't even that bad, the statement has created a lot of talk, but the talk it is causing is all focused about Blizzard and not the fact that people are being killed by their own government, so I'm not convinced the talk it has generated is actually beneficial, rather than a blessing in disguise from the CCP's perspective, people are more annoyed about an esports competition than they are about the human rights violations! That's literally perfect deflection.

Rather than talking about the slave labour camps, we're making memes about Winnie the Pooh. Somehow, I just don't think that's solving anything.

I agree with you.
Still he used the video game platform to point out an issue, in a moral point of view, don't you think everyone should have freedom of expression/speech. You should only get banned from botting/scams/etc. Blizzard had the opportunity to put their foot down but they didn't because of money.

17-Oct-2019 15:22:28

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FiFi LaFeles said:
Kid Pepsi said:
FiFi LaFeles said:
Maybe he should stick to playing the game instead of hijacking a gaming event to make a political statement.


Oh well it's not your country right? Not your problem


Correct. Actually, I don't give a shit at all.
I don't suppose it's your country either .... except that you'll either say it is, or take the expected moral high ground and witter on drearily about Human Rights etc. and do a bit of outraged virtue signalling.

They guy knew he'd get into trouble. He even said that in an interview afterwards. It was an outcome he was quite prepared to accept and he's not making a fuss about it. If he's not ... why are you?


Cause everyone should have the right of freedom of expression, it's as simple as that. But what can we do about it ? Nothing.

People should only be banned for botting(and basic rules breaking like real world trading etc). You shouldn't just bend over and let China do whatever they want .I mean unless you like it

18-Oct-2019 00:43:01 - Last edited on 18-Oct-2019 00:45:26 by Kid Pepsi

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Oranje Duif said:
I'm with the OP on this.

The internet, the gaming community, it has pulled out the dust from many rugs that we're ignored for years, because media was being censored, Demonetized and jailed.

Chung was a hongkong player, No he didn't have the right to misuse a platform, But he's still a hero, He didn't do it for fame, he didn't do it for money. He did it because it was the right thing to do, the moral thing.

But i guess it's okay since "It's" not our country? i'm glad platforms like those exist, it brings out the light to the many things that were once in the dark.


Thank you I was getting tired of this saidist answer "oh well", he used his platform for freedom of expression.
It must be nice to be born in a first word democratic country not having to deal with other people's problems. Even the Jagex admin agreed with Blizzards policy how pathetic , "don't break the rules you'll piss off China" , sometimes rules are meant to be broken especially if it's enforced by a tyrannical leader. It's clearly obvious that Honk Kong wants to be a Democratic country, but Xi Jinping doesn't care.

18-Oct-2019 09:40:02

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Kings Abbot said:
Kid Pepsi said:
COMMUNISM IS TRASH


Communism isn't trash (it's actuall quite fair for everyone), all the countries implementing communism were/are dictatorships (Russia/Soviet Union, Cuba, Vietnam, North-Korea, China)
There's a difference between how the economy of a country works and how it is ruled, regarding people's freedom and such.


Well in the Marxism philosophy was something like everyone should work 6 months and be on vacation for the other 6 months, because if you work all your life you're not really free. But tyrannical leaders abuse power, because if you're in power for too long it corrupts.

18-Oct-2019 09:43:15

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Aslon Dak said:
Kings Abbot said:
Aslon Dak said:

#CommunismKills


#DictatorshipKills

Economic system =/= government or whoever is in charge


Semantics.

Semantics would hardly have spared the lives of the 30 to 70 million people murdered by Mao's Communist Party Of China. Those people are certainly all equal now...equally dead.

The economic system is irrelevant when the currency of the government is bloodshed. Yes, dictatorships kill - and this dictatorship has a name: the CPC. It's not the only Communist dictatorship around, but it is the most murderous of the lot. Just because some people might find value in how their economics work does not excuse the actions of the governments enforcing those economic systems.


Yes hahah they're all "equally" dead good point, but these edge Lord's with their fedoras think communism is neat, true innocent communism has never been achieved in the history of mankind it is just a fictional idea

19-Oct-2019 23:58:55

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