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Dilbert2001
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Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Miu said:
Dilbert2001 said:
Some forum users seemingly don't remember Gielinor was not the original homeland of vast majority of creatures it has now.

Humans came to Gielinor through a portal of some World Gate too. Saradomin was also one of the human alien immigrants. Does Saradomin look like a caveman, apeman or Big Foot? Of course not.

Humans, elves etc who immigrated to Gielinor have long evolved from their primitive forms. It is not surprising dinosaurs have also long evolved when they came to Gielinor. Perhaps dinosaurs actually looked like Godzilla or Rodan back in their original homeland but hey they evolved so they could survive in Gielinor. :D


so did the dinosaurs have terrible graphics before or after they stepped through the world gate


It is as good as a question as "does the dinosaurs have better graphics than your forum picture" or "does the dinosaurs have better graphics than cartoon bald head, green shirted players with black beards"?

Say what you like but it won't change other players' perception and definitely the fact that Gielinor creatures may not look like what some players think because they have evolved from other planes long ago.


So they evolved to have bad graphics to escape predation by humans so they wouldn't want to be around them. Makes sense.


All living organisms evolve to be fit to survive, not to escape predation. Typically, creatures evolved into colorful ones not to escape predation by humans (or whatever predators) but on the contrary, as a warning sign to the weaker creatures to stay away or be destroyed and consumed. :)

17-Jul-2019 22:07:53

Daibhi
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Vaseth said:
seeing as you are bashing jagex for being technically incorrect, you realise dinosaur means terrible lizard, so your title reads "terrible terrible lizards" which just seems a rather awkward and possibly redundant way of putting it

also, given the dinosaur just means terrible lizard when many dinosaurs arent actually related to lizards, have not jagex used the name more correctly than whoever you seem to think has a monopoly on the world terrible lizard, as jagex's monsters are, in fact, terrible lizards?


I get what you're saying but when using two different languages it's easy to do that when you know one better over the other. In fact it was news to me that the word dinosaur had latin origins at all as I had no idea about that myself.

For example, I ended up explaining to someone a bit about mermaids in Irish mythology because they were confusing a certain Danish tale as being Irish in origins a few days ago (which is probably why I confused minnow for merrow AKA. murúch the other day when talking to someone else about the deep sea fishing hub and how to catch manta rays).

In English it's simply mermaid. However, in Irish, it's maighdean mhara which literally directly translates as sea maiden and for the male version it's coomara which directly translates as sea hound or murúch fir (mermaid man) for a direct comparison. In regards to Irish mythology they, supposedly, have a cochaillín draíochta which again directly translates to little magic hood.

In short direct translations will melt your head, especially older languages because they don't exactly directly translate very well to English. Tá sé an deacair na teangacha Ceilteach a thuiscint (it is difficult to understand the Celtic languages), for example.

18-Jul-2019 15:35:57

Big Storms
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This is a fantasy game: they make whatever they want that fits the universe. Creating lizard monsters and dubbing them dinosaurs (a familiar term which as other have stated literally means terrible lizards) falls under this. Just as elves in runescape also have unique appearance compared to other fantasy universes.

I would even go as far as to say that it would be odd to have scientifically correct dinosaurs in Gielinor, as that would mix badly with the lore: the history of Gielinor is wildly different than earth. Other than that, them looking good or bad is a subjective term.
All I am interested in is that it makes sense how the experiments the Dragonkin have done mixing their kind with these lizards created the dragons. Which it sorta does (debatable).
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18-Jul-2019 15:49:59

Dilbert2001
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Daibhi said:
Vaseth said:
seeing as you are bashing jagex for being technically incorrect, you realise dinosaur means terrible lizard, so your title reads "terrible terrible lizards" which just seems a rather awkward and possibly redundant way of putting it

also, given the dinosaur just means terrible lizard when many dinosaurs arent actually related to lizards, have not jagex used the name more correctly than whoever you seem to think has a monopoly on the world terrible lizard, as jagex's monsters are, in fact, terrible lizards?


I get what you're saying but when using two different languages it's easy to do that when you know one better over the other. In fact it was news to me that the word dinosaur had latin origins at all as I had no idea about that myself.

For example, I ended up explaining to someone a bit about mermaids in Irish mythology because they were confusing a certain Danish tale as being Irish in origins a few days ago (which is probably why I confused minnow for merrow AKA. murúch the other day when talking to someone else about the deep sea fishing hub and how to catch manta rays).

In English it's simply mermaid. However, in Irish, it's maighdean mhara which literally directly translates as sea maiden and for the male version it's coomara which directly translates as sea hound or murúch fir (mermaid man) for a direct comparison. In regards to Irish mythology they, supposedly, have a cochaillín draíochta which again directly translates to little magic hood.

In short direct translations will melt your head, especially older languages because they don't exactly directly translate very well to English. Tá sé an deacair na teangacha Ceilteach a thuiscint (it is difficult to understand the Celtic languages), for example.


In Gielinor Mermaids are relatives to Sirens, but not in the real world. Shhhh!!! Inb4 somebody brings up terrible mermaids/sirens. :D

18-Jul-2019 20:39:59

Siege Fred
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I love how people state in this thread how they watched all these dinosaur movies and think they know what a dinosaur looks like, fun fact, most dinosaur probably had feathers.

Another fun fact, dinosaur is more closely related to birds than other reptiles.

18-Jul-2019 21:44:45

Hguoh
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I would propose that the 'dinosaurs' of Anachronia aren't actually dinosaurs.

Upon first seeing the pavosaurusrex, the player character claims that it appears to be a giant jadinko. Now jadinkos may appear to be reptiles, but they are actually plants.

Now, consider the other forms of life on Anachronia:

Jadinkos: plants.
Ancient Zygomites: plants (modern zygomites are fungus, but the ancient ones appear to be plants).
Vile Blooms: plants.
Plants: plants.

As such, I would like to propose that the 'dinosaurs' of Anachronia are actually plants as well. Acknowledging this, it would be unreasonable to expect them to be too similar to how dinosaurs appeared in real life.

Granted, there are a couple of evidently native mammals (grenwalls and pawyas), a native species of amphibian (yellow salamanders), a species of bird (golden warbler), and 2 evident species of insects (the butterflies). That said, the ‘dinosaurs’ do appear to have more in common with jadinkos (plants) than any other inhabitant of the island.

PS: The island appears to have been brought foreword in time by Kerapac with the power of the Elder Needle (it’s brimming with life rather than being covered in fossils like it is in OSRS). Seeing as it houses the ruins of Orthen (the first city of the only known species to survive the previous revision of the universe) the island could be in a state as it was back before larger animals evolved.

This would mean that in Gielinor’s case, the ancient past wasn’t dominated by diapsids, but by plants and the surviving dragonkin.

19-Jul-2019 05:22:09 - Last edited on 19-Jul-2019 05:46:49 by Hguoh

Just Me Em
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Vaseth said:
seeing as you are bashing jagex for being technically incorrect, you realise dinosaur means terrible lizard, so your title reads "terrible terrible lizards" which just seems a rather awkward and possibly redundant way of putting it

also, given the dinosaur just means terrible lizard when many dinosaurs arent actually related to lizards, have not jagex used the name more correctly than whoever you seem to think has a monopoly on the world terrible lizard, as jagex's monsters are, in fact, terrible lizards?


That's not how naming animals/cades/whatever works though, they're not literally Greek or Latin and don't follow any of the gramatical rules, and any of the latinised words we use now would make absolutely no sense to anybody who spoke these languages. At best they're fragments of words, taken very literally and slapped together with other fragments of words, it's basically nonsense as language, and only exists as it does, because it's a dead language and therefore useful to use as a standardized way to name things.

Like Dinosaur isn't a word describe terrible lizards, if that was the case no dinosaurs would be dinosaurs, as all dinosaurs are archosaurs and all lizards are lepidosauromorphs, dinosaurs are a specific group of animals that includes, sauropods (big necky quadrapedal ones), therapods (bipedal ones, including all modern, alive birds) and Ornithischians (the other mostly herbivorous ones), no other animals. Pterasaurs aren't dinosaurs, dinosaurs and pterosaurs are both ornithodirans, but they're not dinosaurs and animal that lived at the same time doesn't mean they're the same

19-Jul-2019 07:28:01 - Last edited on 19-Jul-2019 07:29:54 by Just Me Em

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