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Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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@CurlyWiskers

Perhaps the rise in OSRS population is invisible to over 9000 times more players then. Not there, no where, absolutely nothing since last year.

Nostalgia doesn't work and the good thing is, unlike you, OSRS is beginning to think in the present time. They realized the fatal grinding for nothing content is long dead. That's why they took a page from RS3 which in turn took a page from modern games, and put up Dailyscape and Easyscape event kind of content.

RS3 already is doing the Easyscape and Dailysape stuff for quite a while. Good thing OSRS know they need to follow the flow to survive just like RS3. Perhaps they can do more too. If players like Twisted League for 5x progress rate and exclusive rewards, RS3 can have Mangled League with 10x progress rate and discontinued rewards too.

22-Dec-2019 19:13:46

TheFrostyG
Feb Member 2018

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SuePurrr said:
TheFrostyG said:
SuePurrr said:

Java is a browser asset.


As far as Google says - it's not correct.
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All desktop applications can easily be developed in Java. Java also provides GUI development capability

This is a case for Runescape Java client - it's a desktop application. It means browser support is not required.


Java can be used to develop desktop applications. In that case, it becomes a compiled application. In a browser, Java is used as a script interpreter for Java script. Those are really two different worlds.

And RS Java client is a compiled application located on my hdd named "JagexLauncher.exe".

22-Dec-2019 19:16:14

SuePurrr
Dec Member 2019

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Here is my historical perspective. In the glory days of grinding, before NXT and the great die off, there would be 80,000 players on line any time you want to play. jx brought on big changes, including bonds which amounts to selling game content for rw $, and similar give aways. NXT shut a lot of people with older hardware out of the game. All of these things together destroyed the playerbase. jx, thinking that the problem was simply old hardware and nostalgia, released OS as a temporary solution. It was slow to catch on, but it certainly has. And it won't go away unless it is interfered with.

I don't think that people with newer hardware sold that and bought old, and I don't think RS players are aswarm with tears for the good old days.

It is clear to me that there is something enduring in the OS game dynamic that is missing in RS3. jx would do well to put some effort into understanding what that is.

22-Dec-2019 19:18:11

SuePurrr
Dec Member 2019

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TheFrostyG said:
SuePurrr said:

Java is a browser asset.

Java can be used to develop desktop applications. In that case, it becomes a compiled application. In a browser, Java is used as a script interpreter for Java script. Those are really two different worlds.

And RS Java client is a compiled application located on my hdd named "JagexLauncher.exe".


Yes, that and some other exe's make up the Java interpreter that your browser uses to process Java script.

22-Dec-2019 19:22:33 - Last edited on 22-Dec-2019 19:23:20 by SuePurrr

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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SuePurrr said:
Here is my historical perspective. In the glory days of grinding, before NXT and the great die off, there would be 80,000 players on line any time you want to play. jx brought on big changes, including bonds which amounts to selling game content for rw $, and similar give aways. NXT shut a lot of people with older hardware out of the game. All of these things together destroyed the playerbase. jx, thinking that the problem was simply old hardware and nostalgia, released OS as a temporary solution. It was slow to catch on, but it certainly has. And it won't go away unless it is interfered with.

I don't think that people with newer hardware sold that and bought old, and I don't think RS players are aswarm with tears for the good old days.

It is clear to me that there is something enduring in the OS game dynamic that is missing in RS3. jx would do well to put some effort into understanding what that is.


Bonds are in and have been in OSRS since 2013 too. Don't say OSRS is not selling gold. It is just a farce.

Mod Warden has nothing to do with the NXT or Java client. He can't halt the technological advance in the real world. There are only 4% of players still using the old client. So much got "shutting out the playerbase". Don't the Java client is shut down just like RSC and Funorb as they don't fit to survive. Nothing Mod Warden can do. It is just not his job.

22-Dec-2019 19:23:15

SuePurrr
Dec Member 2019

SuePurrr

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Dilbert2001 said:
SuePurrr said:
Here is my historical perspective. In the glory days of grinding, before NXT and the great die off, there would be 80,000 players on line any time you want to play. jx brought on big changes, including bonds which amounts to selling game content for rw $, and similar give aways. NXT shut a lot of people with older hardware out of the game. All of these things together destroyed the playerbase. jx, thinking that the problem was simply old hardware and nostalgia, released OS as a temporary solution. It was slow to catch on, but it certainly has. And it won't go away unless it is interfered with.

I don't think that people with newer hardware sold that and bought old, and I don't think RS players are aswarm with tears for the good old days.

It is clear to me that there is something enduring in the OS game dynamic that is missing in RS3. jx would do well to put some effort into understanding what that is.


Bonds are in and have been in OSRS since 2013 too. Don't say OSRS is not selling gold. It is just a farce.

Mod Warden has nothing to do with the NXT or Java client. He can't halt the technological advance in the real world. There are only 4% of players still using the old client. So much got "shutting out the playerbase". Don't the Java client is shut down just like RSC and Funorb as they don't fit to survive. Nothing Mod Warden can do. It is just not his job.


Bonds in OS, yes, I was afraid jx couldn't resist messing with it.

I don't think RS should go back to Java.

22-Dec-2019 19:26:33

SuePurrr
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Looking for evidence of blooming player counts on RS3. Right now RS3 has 27,000 players and OS has 86,000. Which means, while we have been having this conversation, RS3 has gained 1000 players and OS has gained 8000.

RS3 is dying the death.

22-Dec-2019 19:31:56

TheFrostyG
Feb Member 2018

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SuePurrr said:
TheFrostyG said:
SuePurrr said:

Java is a browser asset.

Java can be used to develop desktop applications. In that case, it becomes a compiled application. In a browser, Java is used as a script interpreter for Java script. Those are really two different worlds.

And RS Java client is a compiled application located on my hdd named "JagexLauncher.exe".


Yes, that and some other exe's make up the Java interpreter that your browser uses to process Java script.

Here is a problem - which one? I have 4 browsers installed - Edge, Firefox, Chrome, Opera. When I start RS Java client it's opening it's own window - lot launching extra window of any of browsers installed, and this window behave exactly same way on any computer with any set of browsers installed. I could guess that RS client run it's own core of some browser, but it means it's a part of application and it's independent from my computer configuration.

22-Dec-2019 19:34:02

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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SuePurrr said:
Dilbert2001 said:
SuePurrr said:
Here is my historical perspective. In the glory days of grinding, before NXT and the great die off, there would be 80,000 players on line any time you want to play. jx brought on big changes, including bonds which amounts to selling game content for rw $, and similar give aways. NXT shut a lot of people with older hardware out of the game. All of these things together destroyed the playerbase. jx, thinking that the problem was simply old hardware and nostalgia, released OS as a temporary solution. It was slow to catch on, but it certainly has. And it won't go away unless it is interfered with.

I don't think that people with newer hardware sold that and bought old, and I don't think RS players are aswarm with tears for the good old days.

It is clear to me that there is something enduring in the OS game dynamic that is missing in RS3. jx would do well to put some effort into understanding what that is.


Bonds are in and have been in OSRS since 2013 too. Don't say OSRS is not selling gold. It is just a farce.

Mod Warden has nothing to do with the NXT or Java client. He can't halt the technological advance in the real world. There are only 4% of players still using the old client. So much got "shutting out the playerbase". Don't the Java client is shut down just like RSC and Funorb as they don't fit to survive. Nothing Mod Warden can do. It is just not his job.


Bonds in OS, yes, I was afraid jx couldn't resist messing with it.

I don't think RS should go back to Java.


But in your very first post you said he should look at Old School. I bet he did and he found Bonds have been there for 6 years too. So?

Jagex is already not just looking at, but developing new clients too. It is not NXT and certainly not Java. Again, Mod Warden has no part in it, and I doubt if he even has the expertise to know much.

22-Dec-2019 19:38:51

DedGrlWalkin

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RS isn't going to go back to Java. Java is obsolete. Nobody is writing new Java games anymore. Every browser dropped Java support more than a year ago. Most games that use Java are moving away from it. Even Minecraft doesn't run on Java anymore.

It may be harsh to say, but if you don't want to (or can't) upgrade your system to keep up with current technology, then the problem is yours. This whining is like a car owner saying "I want to keep driving my car, but I don't want to have to put new brakes on it." You just can't get it both ways.

The fact of the matter is that 96% of Runescape players had already switched over to NXT before they discontinued the Java client. Jagex did a lot more than you can reasonably expect of them.

22-Dec-2019 19:46:02

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