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CrocoNuts
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For far too long, W42 has become this image:



People from all sides have voiced their concern about the current state of W42 and a few of the solutions people have proposed were a total reset, new rules, blacklists and many other things. Now, I am just curious, were you to change W42, what would you do? Would you even change W42?

I want to hear everyone's voices in this, because I am genuinely curious to what you all have to say. If things get out of hand, this thread will be purged by f-mods and I will lock it if things really go bad. When you post, think of W42. Not yourself for a change.


Some questions and sources to help you people talk about W42. No guidelines, just help.


Can people change W42?Should we even bother?

Are rules needed to keep things orderly? Can all people agree on rules?

Is it purely the playerbase that causes this all?What friction is there atm in W42?

What rules would you like to see? Why?

How do you plan on lowering the friction between groups?

How would you contribute to W42 yourself?

Why should we bother with this in a divided community?



Extra Source(s):


• Weekly Debate: Landclaims?! - 26-Apr-2016
• Chit chat about a RP FC - 02-May-2016
• A public figure steps down - 13-Sep-2016
• Another W42 FC - 11-Aug-2016
• State of the Server minithread - 04-Sep-2016
• Why W42 is dead - 28-Jul-2016
• A W42 ClanChat! - 26 -Jun -2016

Do you feel like something is missing on the main post? Please do tell so I can edit things!

Behave and talk away!
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23-Sep-2016 01:26:40 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2016 01:29:07 by CrocoNuts

CrocoNuts
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Things people say go here.


Pesky Goblin said:
Blacklists have divided an already small and dying community and people's inability to let things go are going to put the final nails in the coffin. More rules and regulations are needed.

Magnickicent said:
You're not all going to be likeminded people. Coming from W41, I can firsthand say that blacklists and a general unwillingness to RP with people you didn't get along with killed the community there.

You're not going to solve problems by ignoring them.

Vekon II said:
Nearly everyone is driven with a thirst of power on this game and that's something that is never going to change.

The only thing I do have to offer. A wise man once said that change is the butterfly effect. Maybe, just maybe, start it there. One small step at a time.

Startraphell said:
You should not be allowed to ignore people.
Take power away from OOC.

Dansplainer said:
The very basic foundation of any community it is its ability to compromise. I came here to enjoy an escape from real life, as most of us have. So why is it that we persist in making this community an unpleasant environment to roleplay in?

BloxzorKBG said:
You can choose to not RP with someone, but you can't stop them from RP'ing in public RP, and it's really childish to discourage your own friends from RP'ing with them.

RiDaku said:
I disagree with the claim that you should not be allowed to ignore people you don't want to roleplay with. Do you want people to constantly clash while roleplaying? I don't. There are people I adamantly refuse to interact with in roleplay, and no 'you have to accept them' rule will change that.
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23-Sep-2016 01:26:55 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2016 02:41:43 by CrocoNuts

CrocoNuts
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Khaji said:
All in all I think W42 needs to break up all the kingdoms and we all need to learn to at the very least tolerate each other. W42 is small, but not as small as we think. I think a "city state" POC system would work a lot better than the kingdoms we have now.

Spartae said:
Do what almost every other community I've ever been a part of does: revisit the rules, make them stricter and more cohesive. Make it clearly defined what is wrong and what is right.

Nasty Smell said:
Also controversial opinion time; Limit public RP to the F2P area. This is partially so people don't have to pay for membership to have fun, and also to shrink the map to fit the community.

Soup Spitter said:
Fingerpointing WILL NOT help our dying community. We all need to accept responsibility for our actions or die out.

Twillow said:
Please continue, instead, to discuss the questions the author asked in his first post.

MercyIsGay said:
I think the city-state thing should be voted on since this thread is divided on it. I do like the idea of a community guide though, if it works.

BloxzorKBG said:
Please don't be a pessimist. Like seriously, biggest issue in this community; pessimistic thinking.

Tuffty said:
Don't let this thread goto waste.
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23-Sep-2016 01:27:02 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2016 22:38:21 by CrocoNuts

Pesky Goblin
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42 sucks. Blacklists have divided an already small and dying community and people's inability to let things go are going to put the final nails in the coffin. More rules and regulations are needed, I think, so people can't just blacklist somebody because "Oh, I don't like that guy, he kinda sucks." or "Oh he was rude to me sadface time to never interact with them again". We're not in middle school anymore, friends, lets make something beautiful with what we have left. Lets not be dickheads for no reason, forgive and forget, give people a chance, so on. Founder of the "Anti-Daniel" gang.

23-Sep-2016 01:36:38

Magnickicent

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In a community of this size, you're not all going to be likeminded people. There are going to be people who you don't agree with and not get along with. Does that mean you have the right to blacklist them? Once upon a time, my answer would have been yes. Now, however, I don't think that blacklists should be used simply because you want to claim land from someone you don't like. Should blacklists even be used at all? Perhaps, but only in rare cases, if ever. Coming from W41, I can firsthand say that blacklists and a general unwillingness to RP with people you didn't get along with (which I, to my regret and shame, partook in) killed the community there. We will never all get along OOC'ly, but that doesn't mean you have the right to remove that person from RP OOC'ly.

A solution to this? As blunt of me as it may seem to say this, but...

Grow a pair.

You're not going to solve problems by ignoring them. Want to take over that POK from the person, but they're being completely unfair? Well, maybe then that becomes a community issue, but just because they play unfair doesn't mean you get to be unfair by blacklisting them in turn. It's a two way street. If being around a person on this game is "toxic" to your health in any way, maybe it's time to take a short break from RSRP and get a grip on yourself. I know I sound like a major jerk, and I may get backlash for this, but that's just how I see it.
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23-Sep-2016 01:48:38

Vekon II
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Well, now blacklisted, burnt and blackballed from nearly every group in 42 I don't really have much to say about all of this.

There was a time I was one of the biggest players in this community. I plotted the fall of the Grey Empire, I assisted in reforging the United Kandarin Kingdom, I lead Asgarnia, Misthalin and so on. And now I found myself 'sweeping the streets that I used to own'.

I have been here for 4 years and honestly, nothing has changed. No matter how many threads we made or how many times we promised and swear to change things, it never happened. It was the same small groups saying they're the right ones in the way to rp. Blacklisting, hypocrisy and casualties. Nearly everyone driven with a thirst of power on this game and that's something that is never going to change.

Nothing will change here and I have lost all urge to try and make the change to happen. I was going to support this a 100% but I just don't have any fight left for a victory that will never arrive.

The only thing I do have to offer. A wise man once said that change is the butterfly effect. Maybe, just maybe, start it there. One small step at a time.

Who knows.

It was good while it lasted.

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23-Sep-2016 02:00:50

Startraphell

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My opinion on this topic is simple, and as follows: You should not be allowed to ignore people. I understand that some people hate each other. I myself hate some people. However, despite all this, I am willing to roleplay with them. Just because you dislike someone, doesn't meant that you can ignore them completely.

In short, my point can be summed up in one, simple, sentence.

"Take power away from OOC."
"I am true divinity! I am the father of nations and peoples! I am the thing you merely pretend to be! I am God, and I am King, and you can never defeat me!" ~Galath, Infinity Blade

23-Sep-2016 02:06:11 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2016 02:06:26 by Startraphell

CrocoNuts
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Pesky Goblin said:
More rules and regulations are needed.


What kind of rules would you like to see to fix things?

Startraphell said:
Take power away from OOC.


How do you think we can do this?

Vekon II said:
One small step at a time.


What do you think would be a small step in the right direction?
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23-Sep-2016 02:12:21

Dansplainer
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The very basic foundation of any community it is its ability to compromise.

Frankly, we lack respect for one another. Right now, someone is scoffing because "it's another one of those threads." This is taboo in a community of people who can not seem to grow up, and understand that as adults we have a responsibility to treat each other with respect, even if we do not like that person. Here we sit, shifting blame every which way, burying each other in salt, and justifying it with "it's the internet, get over it." Yet, we are still human beings. So as human beings, as adults, as a community, we can resolve our differences simply by asking how it could be done, rather than arguing over who is right. We can resolve our differences by growing up, and taking the initiative, as a leader, to show the other respect.

If it were possible, I would not like to see the abolition of PoKs. They cause friction, they develop cliques, they stagnate roleplay but only because the unregulated system we have now is ineffective in culling that behavior. While abolishing PoKs is an effective long-term solution, it would eliminate the potential they have to be better managed - and the unique image they give our community. If there was a system for all to be given their chance, under the understanding that they are capable of showing other humans respect and that they must be willing to face challenges and consequences in their endeavors, whether they are to run the PoK or invade it, then a positive change could occur for our community.

Allow me to admit that I understand that I may seem conceited, confrontational, and hostile sometimes. Frankly, I am not a very humble person, and I struggle with being wrong and making mistakes. We all do.

I came here to enjoy an escape from real life, as most of us have. So why is it that we persist in making this community an unpleasant environment to roleplay in?
Hi, I'm Dan.

23-Sep-2016 02:19:58

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