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23-Sep-2016 14:17:30

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23-Sep-2016 14:17:58

Spartae
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I'll try to keep this simple. If people want more details/understanding, then I'll provide it.

From my experiences in Roleplaying-styled communities, the one stark contrast of W42 is that it values autonomy to the point that the Roleplaying "rules" have become more "suggestions" over time. This is fine on an individual level; disastrous on a community level.

Let's, for just a moment, ignore the other problem of W42's internal conflicts between individuals/groups at a peculiar level. W42's problems can then be encapsulated in the problems faced with during an RP fight: disagreements.

Because of how loose the community has come to accept any singular, codified group of rules to follow, interpretation and disagreements run rampant. Therefore, nobody quite agrees on the same terms and eventually the community splinters along fault lines of larger issues that develop from this.



So what would the solution be in my mind? Do what almost every other community I've ever been a part of does: revisit the rules, make them stricter and more cohesive. Make it clearly defined what is wrong and what is right; this could even be extended to creating cohesive "lore" for the public roleplaying community by having a universal definition for, say, a Dwarf Weed herb's on-application effects.

The reasoning? When a community lives by a stricter set of rules, after the initial bumpiness of the transition to them, they tend to get along better and focus on the storytelling aspect: the true aspect of freedom of development. The rules are there to keep everything cohesive and keep everyone on the same page; likewise, they are there to punish those who consistently break the rules of a public roleplaying community (be it things like hate speech or genuine breaking of the game canon such as playing Goku).

That's about the only thing I could shake a stick at as being W42's core problem that separates it from other communities. The lack of communal rules.

23-Sep-2016 14:29:00

Spartae
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Also, I agree with the idea of consolidating where we roleplay. At least for a temporary population solution. If we're in a more population-dense area that's smaller, players run into one another more. They interact more. They're seen more.

That's what pulls new roleplayers into the community: the visibility of the community roleplaying together. It would also probably be healthier for our grizzled veterans to focus on a smaller area of land so people aren't desperately grabbing for their chance to be a PoC leader when the latest inactive PoC finally gives up on its long-dead population.

23-Sep-2016 14:32:25

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23-Sep-2016 14:41:57

CrocoNuts
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Hi W42,

I am very proud that nearly all of you are thinking in spirit of W42 and not in the spirit of 'me me me'. Keep it up! I have added more quotes on the first page from many different people and I hope to see people think about those quotes and perhaps even respond to them.

I would like to say that, however much I support everyone voicing their concerns about W42 on this thread, I woud like to remind people that this is a thread about W42, not Asgarnia. We all know what happened there and I know that it is thé most recent example of W42's ugly side, but if this turns ugly and people are going to try and solve personal problems on a thread themed around the community, I will shut it down ASAP.

You have been given a compliment and a warning.

Keep on talking, W42!

Edit 4 Finn, Cas, Jake: Please watch your tone, you are drifting off slowly with small personal attacks between your reasonable statements. Don't ruin your posts because of your emotions, try to stay rational so that nothing here derails horribly.
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23-Sep-2016 14:51:16 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2016 14:58:30 by CrocoNuts

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I, personally, am totally in favour of moving W42 to the F2P zone. I'd be okay with less land to RP in if there was more player density, and thus more RP as a whole. I'm willing to RP with pretty much anyone (Except one person who'll go unnamed as per the spirit of this thread), and indeed I'd like to RP with more people outside the Kinshra and Novas once I rejoin.

Assuming I do, ofc.
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23-Sep-2016 14:57:34

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23-Sep-2016 15:14:37

Tuffty
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Bromovoi

Now, I understand that there are many people who share Castigo's sentiment in the sense that there are groups and individuals they deem undesirable and most of those people think of the same groups when they do.

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. You're thinking of The Sicarius, Stu's Kinshra, The Banditos, so on and so forth. People like myself, Stu, Ian, Jay, Stone.


42 is dying.

It has been dying.

It will die for real, VERY soon.

But I'll get to that in a second here. There are two kinds of people on 42. The not so large majority of 42, mainly POK members and that one circle of people who are running a POK every other month. And then there's the blacklisted. The (Edited) etc etc. Many say we're blacklisted because we deserve it, or we're bad rpers, or whatever bs reason. But there needs to be a medium.


While some of us could lay off and be a little nicer, the other side is equally at fault. You guys could be a little less sensitive, and more open minded too. You preach tolerance and free rp but only if it agrees with your standards. We have done some bad things but buddy, the rest of the community, even well known rpers have done some equally shitty stuff that I've witnessed first hand. Fingerpointing WILL NOT help our dying community. We all need to accept responsibility for our actions or die out.

Blacklists, in my opinion, are absolutely unacceptable in this day and age because of how tiny the once roaring fire of rp has become. We're depleted as it is, every blacklist hurts us more and more and it's just dividing and inciting hate. (Continued on my next post)


Post was with a few edits.
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23-Sep-2016 15:30:03 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2016 15:42:26 by Tuffty

Tuffty
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Bromovoi.

(2/3) -- That isn't to say we need to abolish them entirely, however. Here's a list of what I think are reasonable blacklist do's and don'ts.


DO
-Blacklist people who continue to knowingly break commonly accepted rp rules.
-Blacklist people who only rp to troll
DONT
-Blacklist people who disagree with you
-Blacklist people who offer you rp through ANY means (Even if it is antagonism. Rp is scarce)
-Blacklist people who you find to be ICLY threatening.
-Blacklist people when you lose a war so that you can acknowledge it as a victory
-Blacklist people who seek roleplay, because of who they associate with.
-Blacklist entire groups for past actions, that happened MORE than a few months ago.

All the don'ts happen all the time.
It's petty.

I won't point fingers but there's several groups handing out blacklists left and right. It needs to stop. You (yeah, you know who you are) need to stop systematically destroying the community to legitimize yourself so you can keep your pixel land on a video game. It's ridiculous. If you ask anyone who was as the Battle of Lumbridge they'd tell you "it was a blast." Why? Because it wasn't a fight over land. It was fun because people weren't worried about their play pretend reputation.

Speaking of reputation, let me get back to the "there's two kinds of people here" thing.


I said above that there are the supposed "undesirables" and the POK hounds.

That's not to say the people Castigo referred to are the only (removed) here. Let's be real, there's some real dirtbags who have been high on the totem pole too. I'm gonna name-and-shame because being fake won't work. Buckle your seatbelts, ladies and gentlemen.

(Continued on my next post)


Your post back with an edit to remove the bad language.
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23-Sep-2016 15:33:18 - Last edited on 23-Sep-2016 15:43:08 by Tuffty

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