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MercyIsGay

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I'm 50/50 on this, and I admittedly stopped RPing for the time being as a result.

I think we should have blacklists, but I also know fine well those won't be fair nor balanced without a council of some sorts, as the blacklistees rarely get a chance to fairly make a case for themselves and that can legitimately cause problems when you run out of people to RP with, but I'm also fully aware a council wouldn't work due to the fact most of the people who could be on it have some kind of longstanding bias, big or small, that'd really really fuck it up. I also dislike the permanent nature of blacklists. I know that some people peak in High School and stay horrible, but some people can change. Blacklisting... doesn't really give them a way to atone, don't you think? Or something. Idk it's 5am, I've been in hospital for hours, let me live.

Stuff like the above are the kind of mental hoops I run through when asked "How can we make 42 better?"

The only answer I can pose is that we get as many people as possible in the one room and make them talk out their issues... but you know fine well how that could go. "I refuse to talk to/RP with them!" for varying reasons, be it genuine and personal (They stalked me repeatedly and told me to hang myself, and my friends) or flawed and dumb (They took over my role in the faction wah). Both are just random examples with no basis in reality, but you can see my point; We need to talk, but I know we can't or won't.

So uh... everything I wrote doesn't really contribute anything, but at the very least I hope you can figure out how the W42 situation looks to a newbie.
Black Knights represent yo

23-Sep-2016 04:59:24

Khaji
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Khaji

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Personally I think a soft reset of the rp world is needed. Too many people get salty about legacies or certain characters. Too many people focus on keeping kingdoms together and large. OOC influences IC way too much. Yes some OOC conflict is bigger but both parties should just separate themselves from each other in that case. People need to learn to move on and focus on having fun versus the "play to win" mindset that so many have had the last few years. Almost everyone has pranced around with that mindset and we all need to stop it if we want to have fun.

A soft reset along the lines of going to poc's versus pok's would be great. Everyone wants a bit of power and wrapping swathes of land under one entities umbrella no longer works. Its not perfect, but dozens of smaller groups with members intertwining in an ideal scenario would encourage more rp than not. Yes that is a perfect world scenario, but really large kingdoms aren't working anymore. The world needs to feel more organic and dynamic. There is a serious lack of quality antagonism around. Almost every bit of antagonism that isn't from a plot made by the clans/kingdoms themselves are done to take over a kingdom or plot of land.

All in all I think W42 needs to break up all the kingdoms and we all need to learn to at the very least tolerate each other. There are plenty of people I don't like that if I have to I will rp with, but would rather not. Likewise I am sure there are plenty who are not fond of me that have rp'd with me despite possibly not wanting too. We need a more organic world and OOCly we need to begin to tolerate each other. W42 is small, but not as small as we think. I think a "city state" POC system would work a lot better than the kingdoms we have now. At the very least it offers people more "micro rp climates" to interact with and allow people to potentially have a place to rp in every section of the map.

23-Sep-2016 05:06:58

Pesky Goblin
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The idea of City-States is one I agree with. When I briefly ran Avarrocka before turning it back to Dim when he came back to rp and asked for it back, I enjoyed not having an entire kingdom, and instead just one city, albeit a large one. The concept of independence is a neat one to roll with and has a lot of roleplay possibilities. If a quote 'soft reset' were performed, along with tighter restrictions on blacklisting being applied, I think we'd be in the right direction for a better, more friendly and lively 42.

By tighter restrictions for blacklisting, I mean they should actually have reason behind them other than not liking the person, or they were mean out of character and what not. If they've actually broken roleplay rules or gone out of their way to troll, flame, and harass another roleplayer or group of roleplayers, I think that could warrant a blacklist. But like the one person said, it shouldn't be permanent. I think it should be more like a suspension, or probation period rather than completely barring them from ever interacting again.
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23-Sep-2016 05:19:06

Prototype R
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Prototype R

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I think this thread is good for getting issues that need to be dealt with out there. I don't have anything to contribute just yet but I'm sure I will soon!

:)

Love 42 though, I'd hate to see it go down the drain

23-Sep-2016 05:23:17

MercyIsGay

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City States could probably help get around the problem of "If you're new here, tough luck". Either gotta get under someone else's banner or start your own and get promptly ignored Black Knights represent yo

23-Sep-2016 05:24:26

Pesky Goblin
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But that brings up another question, how would we decide who got to start off with the new city states? Would it go to people who've done it before plenty? To people who never have? To the people who are 'admin teams' in POK's right now just spreading out and each taking a city in what used to be a kingdom?

And do we even have enough people for each city state to be active? Because I reckon it's likely some people will be a part of several, but there will also be people who wouldn't want to join x city because x person runs it. Which isn't exactly a problem, people have different interests, but we aren't as numerous as we used to be.
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23-Sep-2016 05:32:30

Zrie

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Damn, I wish I had time for you guys these days. I miss RP.

I'm of the opinion that even during peak times (holidays, breaks, etc.) that we've become spread so thin to the point that the still decently-sized population fades away from any particular RPer's- often singularly fixated- focus.

In the past, I argued both for and against consolidation for the reason already stated: we're often selfish jerks. POKs and other land-based groups have never been my forte nor my interest due to (boring/predictable) land issues; my characters, more often than not, do not hold lands, they're wanderers, traders, travelers, adventurers, (the list goes on...). I've often found myself teetering on the edge between joining these POKs and other groups in order to find more interesting RP.

The top-heavy IC (and often OOC biased) leadership makes it difficult to incorporate some characters into groups- like a city, which should really be all-inclusive. Unfortunately, the few times I convinced myself to jump in, the majority of the events catered to a certain group (often blocking out another entirely).

The hubs in this game are really interesting because of OUR lore. However, we're too fixated on adding onto one aspect of RP like some pissing contest instead of expanding all opportunities equally.

(We have ENOUGH nobles. Can we move on yet?)

These city-states or W/E needs to be more welcoming/open to a variety of neutral, antagonistic, other groups within its own walls, and more individualistic characters.

I'm not advocating that groups just aggressively show up within someone else's area (owned or not) because that often closes more doors than it opens due to OOC tensions. Progress require a healthy dialogue between ALL parties.

We need a healthy variety of unaffiliated groups within a POK's borders in order to allow interesting cross-group RPs to happen more organically.

Everything is too planned.

- Zrie

23-Sep-2016 05:57:44

BadRoleplayR
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There are some very good idea being posted here, however I think people are missing some vital points.

Firstly, a good roleplay requires maturity on both sides; which sometimes means accepting outcomes for characters or plots that you yourself might not be satisfied with for the good and benefit of the general roleplay, plot or community (This may include permadeath or other such unpleasant consequences; though they can be negotiated if people are mature). So long as there is even one person unwilling to do this, there will be conflict in 42.

Secondly, allowing any person to mediate over a conflict is giving them power; which really just creates the same issue we had earlier with cliqueiness, groups and politics issues. Perhaps just letting everyone resolve their own things is better? This way if there is an issue it becomes isolated to an extent, because not having mediators doesn't drag the rest of the community into it when everyone (regardless of their involvement in said conflict) wishes to have a say; which in my experience, 90% of the time, creates more problems than it fixes. So second point, keep conflicts within pertinent groups ONLY; don't spread stuff cause it causes extra unneeded issues.

Lastly, there is really one other crux to the whole 42 issue, which I believe people have touched on in previous posts as well; though I will reiterate again because it is vital to understand. If everyone was a mature adult and treated rp like rp instead of an ic/ooc power game, we would probably have still had a good community. Keep IC IC and OOC OOC. If people do not have the maturity to do that, then I cannot ever see 42 coming back to what it was.

These are my main thoughts on the issue of 42, and I speak as someone who has been here since '09 and seen alot of the ups and down of the community. I personally, don't think anything is going to change, but if we're speaking seriously about fixing 42, someone needs to address the elephants in the room :)

23-Sep-2016 06:36:37

Lady Ria
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I hate roleplay.

No, but in all seriousness the amount of Blacklisting chatter looks weird, until you know the specifics.

Blacklists suck. I've been on the giving and recieving end, and can say it is one thing I hated being on the recieving end of, in 2014. It was enough I outright despised the term until recently. But things have changed. In 2014, the global blacklist of the WotD was done because we were an inconvenience to the political elite. Having taken a break for most of 2015, and speaking with the people behind it, many freely admitted it. In 2013, blacklists were frowned upon, leading to the term of "not acknowledging" (same thing, nicer wording).

It's 2016 though, and that crazy Nat decided to blacklist some people because they're mean and triggered her SJW tendencies.

But why? Let me shed some light on this where the sun didn't shine.

1) Harrassment of LGBT roleplayers by said group.
"so bad at being his own gender he had to go make a fake one"
"absolute mutant ****** ****"
"mental degenerates"
And then the just plain ugly stuff in Fally square.

As someone falling under two categories there, you can see why I take that seriously. There are so many LGBT people in 42. I can count at least 13 Trans people alone, in our supposedly dead and dying community. Some closetted, some not. But the closetted ones aren't coming out because of how hostile the community is.

But Nat-

BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE!

2) Facebook stalking

Facebook is lovely. I use it mostly to chat with high school and college friends, and know what's new with my friends and family. I have a select few 42ers added, too.

A certain group of 42ers stumbled on my facebook, and started sifting through the pictures, my friend's list, finding out personal details of my life. I locked my page to anyone who isn't on my friend's list, now, but the damage was done.

This isn't the first time said group has done this to someone, either.

(Cont.)
neat

23-Sep-2016 07:52:21

Lady Ria
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So this brings up the question. Should someone be forced to RP with someone who stalks and harrasses them and their friends?

I'd say no. And that's why, fully aware of what a blacklist is like to be on, I stuck a certain group on mine. People may disagree, but the people I roleplay with don't. And that's what mattered to me.

"But you can't just blacklist a whole group!"

But that's the thing. I didn't. I blacklisted the leadership, who while saying concern would be addressed allowed it to continue, and even participated in it. Certainly not the behaviour I'd expect when people who decided to mock them in my clan were disciplined for it. Glass houses can't throw stones.

I can source all information claimed in these past two posts. (And while I won't post it to the forums, will provide it to those who ask after I collect it into a single document.)

And though the idea of taking a step away from 42 is appealing and ordinarily a good solution... It just can't happen when my personal life is involved now.

As for blacklisting people solely due to not liking them? Can safely say there's plenty of people on 42 I find obnoxious and difficult to roleplay with and do anyway. Have for a long time, too. That's called being an adult.

But when someone qualifies to break real world harrassment laws, with being behind a screen being the only reason they aren't behind bars? I've given plenty of second chances. Third and fourths, in some cases. I'm no masochist, I'm not going to sit around and wait to get hurt again.
neat

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