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I've always wanted a more communal, shared aspect to Runescape. Sure, you can always boss or pk together, but what if you're drastically different levels from each other?

Originally I posed the idea of a shared PoH, with some sort of shortlist of friends you could add to enable a central hangout with your friends. However, it was brought to my attention that this could be something very difficult to code knowing OSRS. The next best thing?

A shared "Clan Chest."

The chest would appear in every bank, much like a voting booth, and it would essentially be a shared bank among your friends. For security's sake, imagine a clan chat, but rather than ranking a player up you would be allowing them access to depositing/withdrawing from the chest.

I need some way to be able to play with my lower level friends, and with mobile coming out I've got a good few more that'll be on their way. It'd be awesome to say "yo dude, I just threw a d scim in the chest for you," or just have a bank tab to grow together.

I really think this'll bring a great new social aspect to OSRS.

20-Mar-2018 02:29:15

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How It Works

Security is an obvious concern of a suggestion like this, so I figure I aughta go into a bit more depth on what I mean by "imagine a clan chat."

In order to access your own Clan Chest, you would open a chest at any bank, type your name, and then be able to view the contents. In order to give others access to your Clan Chest, you could click on the chest settings, then view the list of friends similar to how it works in a clan chat.
From here, you are able to give permission, or a rank, to individuals on your friends list whom you trust. Only after an individual is given permission are they able to deposit/withdraw anything from the Clan Chest.
Additionally, and for ease of use for larger groups of friends/clans, I imagine certain tabs being accessed only by certain ranks. Using similar ranks in clan chests, you could give everyone in the clan access to Tab 1, however only higher ranks could access Tab 2/3/etc.

In order to open a friend's chest, you could similarly enter their name at a Clan Chest, and then view the contents of the chest. If this individual has given you permission to use the chest, you can use the chest. Otherwise, you cannot. No scamming.
Clan Chests can be viewed by anyone by default, though only those given permission can use them. A private Clan Chest mode can be activated in the settings.

20-Mar-2018 02:29:19 - Last edited on 24-Aug-2019 19:49:42 by Perpl

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Addressing Potential Scams

Scamming seems to be the main counterpoint to this suggestion, and one that I feel doesn't shut this suggestion down in the slightest.

If you were to give an item to a friend, and they run with said item, then they were never your friend. You should have never gave them that item.
If you were to use a shared bank with someone, and they run with the items you deposited, then they were never your friend. You should have never shared a bank with them.

A player cannot scam you through means of a shared bank unless you were to place yourself in a position in which you could be scammed.


Everyone has bad memories of being scammed on this game back pre-EoC, and yeah it sucked, but that was ages ago. The current playerbase is largely comprised of adults in their 20s, all of whom now know better than to give someone virtual items in a video game if they're worried they'd be scammed. If you don't have faith in the community, at least have faith in the logic of the majority of the playerbase.

20-Mar-2018 02:29:23 - Last edited on 20-Apr-2019 23:12:20 by Perpl

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-Please Note-

Clan Chest is just the name.
In no way is this meant to be utilized solely by clans.
This is to be viewed as a shared bank above all else.

The only focus of this suggestion is to create a more communal feel when playing among friends. If anything, the focus is on smaller friend groups, which makes the "Clan" aspect of the name now seem less fitting.

20-Mar-2018 02:29:30 - Last edited on 06-Oct-2019 21:13:52 by Perpl

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Che-Che said:
I think a version of this could work, but it needs to be done right. We would need a history page that shows player names or something of the sort to deter a player from emptying the chest. Withdrawal limits (different for each rank) imposed by the clan leader? I don't know the best implementation. I can support the concept.

I completely agree with the addition of an activity log. Withdrawal limits would probably be easy to implement via access to specific tabs for specific ranks, too.

20-Mar-2018 06:49:44

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dunforgiven said:
I foresee a lot of scamming with this.

Of course, but scamming happens on the regular. There's a warning message before you go into the wilderness, but people still get lured. All you can do with something like this is give a warning, and only grant access to certain individuals.

Camelus said:
I don't really see the point. You could easily just trade those people. This seems like a super niche update, and as Muad said, it seems like it'd just be used to scam people. Even with a history on it that shows who withdrew what, what's going to stop them from just taking everything, then leaving the clan they already may have been planning to leave? It's not like you could report them for taking it from the chest when you chose to put the items there. So it would end up being rarely used out of fear of people taking items and leaving. Meanwhile, you can simply trade your friends if you want to give them the dragon scimitar, rather than doing this.

I know you can just trade people, but what if they're not online? This allows you to let a friend borrow something much more conveniently. "Yo, get online so I can borrow your BGS" is much different than "Can you leave the BGS in the chest for me?"

And as I mentioned above, scams always happen. If you already trusted your friend by trading them your item, what's the difference between that and leaving it in a chest for them? Again, a rank system which allows only certain individuals to even withdraw from the chest is a huge workaround for scams in the first place. As for reporting a person, you're right, same as when you trade someone your items and they run with it. It was on you, so no difference there.

I just think it'd be a convenient, and fun, feature. Having a goal between friends, like growing the bank chest to 50m, or collecting a certain amount of something, can just add a new and simple social element into OSRS.

26-Mar-2018 06:19:34

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kaps67 said:
I love the idea of this. I do see a lot of people in the thread are worried about scamming, the solution I think to the problem would be for it to work like item lending used to. A player would deposit the item inside of the clan chest, which a clan member could take out for a period of 1, 3, 6, and 12 hours. After the item returns to the chest where it can be reclaimed again. The owner of the item will be allowed to reclaim it at anytime. Too keep players from dying by losing the item in combat there will be a 5 minute timer if the item is being reclaimed by the owner.

As Gozz said above, I feel this is only going to invalidate things like PvP.

I honestly feel any anti-scam measures with this are unnecessary as a whole. The idea of the Clan Chest is just as a more convenient method of trading with friends. If scams can already happen in trades, then scams can happen in the chest. It poses no more risk, and at this point I think players know better than to lend valuable items to people they don't know.

Not to mention the playerbase of this game is largely adults, so I think we can handle ourselves with attempted scams or internet "friends" who ran off with our items.

21-Apr-2018 21:10:29

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Jeremy Cheng said:
How would this be implemented without any ways for guests to take everything out of the chest without warning?

CC ranks. Only ranked members are allowed access to the chest, meaning a guest can't access it.

I mean that can even be associated with specific chest bank tabs giving access to only certain ranks.

24-Apr-2018 15:59:46

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NonMax Jake said:
Would it be breaking any game rules if a rank took everything from the chest?

I wouldn't think it as any less of an offense as running away with a lent item.
Evolve War said:
However in complete honesty i don't think this would provide a great advantage to the clan community, If anything this would be considered a QoL but this would no doubt have problems and cause problems

In a nut shell i think Development time would be better spent on improving other content within osrs

I definitely agree with you to a large extent here. It's definitely more of a QoL at best, but a social one at that. Again, there are few things you can do with a friend who is a drastically lower level than you, which is why I think growing a bank tab with them would be much more enjoyable.

As for dev time, I was thinking this would be something rather simple to add, at least compared to my previous shared PoH suggestion. I personally know little about the engine behind OSRS, but would adding a new feature that merely stores items be that much to implement?
Evolve War said:
A Shared bank of any sort would be toxic, thinking long term

Yeah, I can see that, but again I'm talking about playing with friends and being smart with items. If you wouldn't lend something to someone, don't put it in the shared bank, right?

26-May-2018 21:07:30

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runeage111 said:
The lures that are used in the wild are called avarice lures and they are legal. What you are talking about is a non avarice lure, and its something jagex has fought against. I do not see them making it easy to do what they have worked hard at stopping.

I'm not talking about luring, homie, I'm talking about a shared bank. If anything what you're talking about would be classified as an outright scam, or even theft, anyways, which happens regardless of how the items are traded.

Everyone is getting too caught up on the idea of scamming with a concept like this. It is no different than you lending an item to a friend. If said "friend" walked away with your item, that is on you for trusting them. This merely makes it easier for actual friends to play together.

Never give an item to anyone unless you completely trust them.
Never place an item in a shared bank unless you completely trust who you are sharing it with.

11-Jul-2018 04:25:27

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To those addressing Chest items and a possible 'untradable' quality be added to them, I feel that would require far too much work on the engine. At that point we should just bring back item lending as well.
The idea behind a Clan Chest is just the simplicity of sharing a bank. Trading becomes unnecessary, and item lending with it.
If you wouldn't trust giving a person an item, don't put it in the chest. I want this to be viewed the same as straight up trading an item to another individual.

DrDabRx said:
I would love a clan bank

Thanks for the support my dude

04-Jan-2019 05:28:10

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NetSage said:
So a Clan bank? This is a common practice in most MMOs. I support it especially if tabs can have permissions and the like.

But based how much of a pain any bank update seems to be I don't see it happening.

I'm honestly surprised a feature like this wasn't implemented before, especially with how prevalent clans have been in the RS community since the early days.

Tab permissions would be great, and again easy to implement in terms of user interface. As for actually implementing the update itself, I'm half worried about a bank update as well. I'm hoping that since this is a completely new banking system, rather than an update to an already existing one, that it'll be much easier to introduce to the game.

12-Jan-2019 20:12:03

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Lady Mimyai said:
While a nice idea, it is not really worth implementation.
Clan members can just use normal trading to gift new members with gear.

I'll agree, but again this is more of a focus on a shared, social aspect of gameplay.
Sharing a weapon and saying "Our DClaws" doesn't have the same group-play feel of "Our Bank."

Etienne II said:

As I see it, you're just making an over complicated trade. Sure, you could put your resources in common with your friends, but it seems a little bit pointless to do so, since, in the end, you'll still have to divide them up.

If you want to lend items, perhaps you could suggest to re-integrate the mechanism to the game as it was specifically designed to reduce scamming possibilities.

I know, but I believe this just makes group-play easier. You don't have to divvy up good because they're already being shared.

As for item lending, that isn't the direction I'm really looking at. My memory recalls that being more of a focus on lending for profit rather than borrowing items from a friend you only half trust.

17-Feb-2019 20:01:54

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Boabies said:
No, this game is too clanscape as is. It doesn't need to get any worse.

I mean in what way? If you're referring to Wilderness/PvP stuff sure, but my suggestion doesn't directly address that sort of content.
"Clan Chest" is only the name. I'm simply suggesting an optional shared bank.

20-Apr-2019 18:55:31

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the bot dib said:

By your logic, any feature is optional such as the use of Twisted Bows to complete the inferno. You could always get the cape in a maple shortbow.

I would argue that's a false equivalency, as my suggestion is a QoL addition as opposed to a BiS one.

20-Apr-2019 21:56:08

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Angel2D4 said:
Perpl said:
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A shared "Clan Chest."

The chest would appear in every bank, much like a voting booth, and it would essentially be a shared bank among your friends. For security's sake, imagine a clan chat, but rather than ranking a player up you would be allowing them access to depositing/withdrawing from the chest.
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It seems like what you are asking for is simply more bank space.. albeit shared, it's still just more bank space..

How would this be limited to clan use? If it could be limited to only being used by clans, why should it be.. and what size of clans could use it?

There seems to be a fair few solo players in old school these days and screwing them over by offering more bank space to only clans.. or clans of certain sizes.. doesn't sound like a supportable idea, IMO.


"Clan Chest" Is just a name.
The chest is accessible to anyone you give permission to, meaning smaller groups of friends can benefit just as much as a large scale clan. Honestly I might need to change the name at this point, as I've had like 6 people now bring up similar cases against this suggestion.

As for extra bank space, that isn't my intention. Again my sole intention with this suggestion is to create a more communal aspect to playing Runescape, especially with friends. If that's a concern make it so default bank spaces have to be sacrificed in order to utilize a "Clan Chest."

07-Aug-2019 22:34:47

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Angel2D4 said:
Perpl, I didn't get stuck on the name.. honestly.. and I am in no way opposed to additional bank space (for everyone).

I simply asked why, given it is nothing more than additional bank space, why should it be limited to clans and if it is limited to clans, what size clans?

I see what you're saying, and in no way do I want to limit this to just clans, let alone exclude solo players.

I mostly named this the "Clan Chest" based on how Clan Chats work. Even if you do not have a clan, you can open a Clan Chat attached to your Runescape account. You can access your own Clan Chat even without other players ever using it, and you can enter and leave it at any time.

I want the Clan Chest to function similarly. You can open up a Chest attached to your name, even if no one else has been given access to it yet, meaning solo players can utilize this update, too. Just like how ranks are given to specific players in a Chat, ranks/access can be given to specific players in a Chest. If someone desires to play solo, they simply don't have to give anyone else access to the Chest.

I like your suggestion of making everything visible by default, even if someone doesn't have access to a specific tab! A private tab/bank option should definitely be included alongside it as well.


This does bring up a valid concern when looking at specific kinds of Iron Man accounts, though, as this truly could just be seen as an extra bank/extra bank spaces.

11-Aug-2019 21:16:24

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Angel2D4 said:

Anyway, as long as you aren't wanting to restrict it to clans only, and ordinary (or even solo) players would still be able to use it.. I like the idea and support it! =)

Thanks! Here's hoping it'll be something everyone can enjoy one day.

20-Aug-2019 20:14:11

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GP FarmerDun said:
VasaTekVesp said:
I'll support this if and only if the clan chest can only be accessed inside of the wilderness. Risk for reward as decreed by Lord Gower on the mission statement.

I don't think that quite applies to suggested content like this.
My suggestion boils down to being a QoL update for trading friends.

By this logic all trading or access to your personal bank should be limited to the wilderness.

02-Sep-2019 20:53:26

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Gleythar said:
Hi, I love this idea!

Here's an easy way to get rid of scamming:

Collateral!
Unless you're a certain rank or have permission on the clan chest you have to deposit items of equalish value in order to take something out!

I seriously love the idea of collateral! Especially with it being adjustable for admins.

Great idea!

11-Sep-2019 17:40:01

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