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cooke fletch said:
weston btw said:
cooke fletch said:
The only reason there is a wilderness slayer is there a small fraction of people that like to pvm in the wild. There is enough for them. Increasing the number of mobs in the wild will not increase that number by one player.

The incentives aren't great enough. Spiteful skillers don't get to decide what's enough for PKers and PvMers who enjoy risk.spiteful pkers don't get to decide what it integrity issues.

That's an oxymoron putting "spiteful" and "PKers" together. You're making no sense, mate. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

06-Oct-2019 16:18:41

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Jeremy Cheng said:
Support for anything that improves the wilderness. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

06-Oct-2019 23:56:37

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cooke fletch said:
irl pker dib said:
That's an oxymoron putting "spiteful" and "PKers" together. You're making no sense, mate.Your right, they both mean the same thing.

You just contradicted yourself. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

07-Oct-2019 17:35:26

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cooke fletch said:
How is it contradictory. Pkers have bragged about spite voting against skills for years. They don't want people to have fun outside the wild, even though they would benefit in the end. Skillers on the other hand have voted time and time again to support pkers despite knowing that it would do us no good, as long as it did not harm us. ONLY when what pkers wanted would harm skillers did skillers vote against it.

As an example, even though we would not use the wilderness slayer boss, we voted it in for pkers and the pvmers that like to pvm in the wild.

That said, there is no reason to expand it to bring more people to that master, because history has proven it will fail to do so.

Because you said that I'm right when I said PKers aren't spiteful and then said that they are. Ever heard of an oxymoron?

Nah, they want everyone to enjoy the game however they want. It's the skillers who derive joy out of griefing others. Why do you think they cried the hardest when black chins were dropped on death even though the old mechanic served no purpose but to harass and grief others?

No PvP update has ever been intended to harm skillers. Also, wilderness slayer was heavily spite voted. Furthermore, several people do wilderness slayer. An expansion would continue the same. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

07-Oct-2019 18:44:33

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cooke fletch said:
No, you said it was an oxymoron. Because pkers are always spiteful, they should never be used together.

Several polls were for things that would harm skillers bank. Many things that have happened have cause a small group to have a major advantage over the majority Both of these things harm skillers. Some squeaked by, because they were not that harmful, but others would have been bad and failed.

If wilderness slayer had been spike voted it would not be in the game.

Exactly. That's what I said which is why you contradicted yourself, dibby.

No, they wouldn't. The JGods guaranteed that no harm would be done hence why them failing qualified as spite voting.

How is risk for reward not good for the game? If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

07-Oct-2019 23:55:13

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cooke fletch said:
How did they guarantee it? with their word only. They refused to do the one thing that would guarantee it: limit it to only pvp areas. Their refusal proved that their word was useless. How many times has one of the mods given his word and then gone back on it the second the polls closed? Dozens.

How could we trust their "word"? We could not. We needed something more, a block on the item being used in a way that would crash the prices of the armor gained outside the wild.

They limited it to PvP areas. You clearly didn't read the dev blog. Not anyone else's fault but yours. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

08-Oct-2019 00:29:16

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cooke fletch said:
irl pker dib said:
cooke fletch said:
How did they guarantee it? with their word only. They refused to do the one thing that would guarantee it: limit it to only pvp areas. Their refusal proved that their word was useless. How many times has one of the mods given his word and then gone back on it the second the polls closed? Dozens.

How could we trust their "word"? We could not. We needed something more, a block on the item being used in a way that would crash the prices of the armor gained outside the wild.

They limited it to PvP areas. You clearly didn't read the dev blog. Not anyone else's fault but yours.No, the development blog did not say that. The CLOSEST they came to saying that was on the announcement which stated "we would like to limit it to pvp". That was it. "We would

LIKE

to". Not that we will. They had stated that they could not because pkers did not want it. So obviously they care more for what pkers WANTED, than what the majority NEEDED.

The fault was clearly the fact that no one could trust the jmods by that time and so far no one has regained it.

That implies that they'd do that. Your paranoia and spite does not constitute a need for Jagex to clarify what they meant. Besides, several people who supported revs including myself trust the JGods. Sounds like a personal problem. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

08-Oct-2019 00:37:13

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cooke fletch said:
When the slayer master was discussed a lot of people wanted it limited. THAT was the compromise that allowed it to pass the poll.

OF course with any compromise made with pkers, its never good enough and they demand total win. Its part of the mindset of pkers, they have to always win everything and others have to completely lose, no compromise allowed.

That's why jagex has started ignoring the polls and doing what pkers want no matter what harm it does to non pkers.

A compromise is where both sides are happy. What you suggested was not a compromise but rather an attempt to spite and harass non-PKers. That's why this and any update to benefit PvP will not be classified as an integrity fix. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

08-Oct-2019 05:53:25

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cooke fletch said:
irl pker dib said:
A compromise is where both sides are happy. What you suggested was not a compromise but rather an attempt to spite and harass non-PKers. That's why this and any update to benefit PvP will not be classified as an integrity fix.A compromise is where both sides get SOMETHING. It does not mean both sides will be happy, or even one of them will. The truth is, in a compromise, most of the time no one is happy, but they accept it as a necessity to give up something to get what they want. Pkers are not willing to give up anything.

What you want is to totally spite everyone that isn't a pker by giving pkers EVERYTHING they want. IF pkers get everything no one else gets anything. Does that sound like its intended to make anyone but pkers happy?

Yes and the solution to this problem isn't compromise. It's punishment. You think rulebreakers would ever listen to proper reasoning? No, they're just being spiteful and trying to harass other members of the community. You don't reason with them. You give them a time out.

Also, keep in mind that 2/3 of the game supported these wilderness uniques so by that logic, the majority was still happy. I was originally upset until I came to the forums and saw how terrible the spite and discrimination towards PKers was. It made me realize how much of the community was plaguing the game with their spite and why they were forced to add and keep statuettes. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

08-Oct-2019 14:51:47

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cooke fletch said:
irl pker dib said:
cooke fletch said:
irl pker dib said:
A compromise is where both sides are happy. What you suggested was not a compromise but rather an attempt to spite and harass non-PKers. That's why this and any update to benefit PvP will not be classified as an integrity fix.A compromise is where both sides get SOMETHING. It does not mean both sides will be happy, or even one of them will. The truth is, in a compromise, most of the time no one is happy, but they accept it as a necessity to give up something to get what they want. Pkers are not willing to give up anything.

What you want is to totally spite everyone that isn't a pker by giving pkers EVERYTHING they want. IF pkers get everything no one else gets anything. Does that sound like its intended to make anyone but pkers happy?

Yes and the solution to this problem isn't compromise. It's punishment. You think rulebreakers would ever listen to proper reasoning? No, they're just being spiteful and trying to harass other members of the community. You don't reason with them. You give them a time out.

Also, keep in mind that 2/3 of the game supported these wilderness uniques so by that logic, the majority was still happy. I was originally upset until I came to the forums and saw how terrible the spite and discrimination towards PKers was. It made me realize how much of the community was plaguing the game with their spite and why they were forced to add and keep statuettes.Its not rule breaking to play the game the way it was created. The punishment was never about rule breaking but because the jmods threw a temper tantrum because they did not ge their way.

Spite voting is against the rules now. Also, the skillers are the ones who threw temper tantrums. Try again. If slayer is a skill, then I guess these slayer drop tables catered to skillers by pumping out so many resources.

09-Oct-2019 04:53:30

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