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Kegs
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RupertGiles2 said:
They would be more steady than you think. Again, the problem is range. At the range we fire them at, the accuracy would still be decent.

Runescape has both 2 handed and 1 handed, although I'm not certain the 2h is in osrs. I have never used them so I do not know much about the ballista.

I wouldn't consider that a Crossbow.

28-Sep-2019 02:03:06

RupertGiles2

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Have you ever used crossbows in real life?

I have used all 3 of the 1 person crossbows I mentioned.

There is also another type (didn't use it) that uses a crank to load.

28-Sep-2019 02:22:34 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2019 02:24:44 by RupertGiles2

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That's a pretty drastic suggestion that certainly would impact how a lot of content is played.

Each combat style has different types of weapons - different attack speeds, different 'attack types' (slash vs stab for example), and one handed vs two handed. With this suggestion, you are effectively wishing to change the combat style of ranged to almost entirely '2 handed weapons only' - and that's a huge change.

The crossbow has its primary advantage in being a strong weapon that can be wielded with a shield - the only other ranged weapons that allow that would be darts or knives, which don't necessarily do as much damage on their own. There are already other incentives to use the other weapons at times - in more endgame scenarios, items like the blowpipe are regular go-to weapons. But there are times that it makes sense to use ranged with a shield, such as dragons or wyverns, or slayer monsters that require a mirror shield, such as cockatrice or basilisks, and this suggestion attempts to take away that ability.

I can't support this suggestion at all, sorry - it would have too much of an impact on the game, and part of the reason that Old School came to be was due to the changes in Combat back in late 2012 - I can't see fundamentally changing how the Ranged skill works being well received.

28-Sep-2019 02:29:51

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Applejuiceaj said:
That's a pretty drastic suggestion that certainly would impact how a lot of content is played.

Each combat style has different types of weapons - different attack speeds, different 'attack types' (slash vs stab for example), and one handed vs two handed. With this suggestion, you are effectively wishing to change the combat style of ranged to almost entirely '2 handed weapons only' - and that's a huge change.

The crossbow has its primary advantage in being a strong weapon that can be wielded with a shield - the only other ranged weapons that allow that would be darts or knives, which don't necessarily do as much damage on their own. There are already other incentives to use the other weapons at times - in more endgame scenarios, items like the blowpipe are regular go-to weapons. But there are times that it makes sense to use ranged with a shield, such as dragons or wyverns, or slayer monsters that require a mirror shield, such as cockatrice or basilisks, and this suggestion attempts to take away that ability.

I can't support this suggestion at all, sorry - it would have too much of an impact on the game, and part of the reason that Old School came to be was due to the changes in Combat back in late 2012 - I can't see fundamentally changing how the Ranged skill works being well received.
Ironman btw.

28-Sep-2019 02:33:09

Kegs
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RupertGiles2 said:
Have you ever used crossbows in real life?

I have used all 3 of the 1 person crossbows I mentioned.

There is also another type (didn't use it) that uses a crank to load.

Yes, I have one.

28-Sep-2019 02:33:53

Kegs
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Applejuiceaj said:
That's a pretty drastic suggestion that certainly would impact how a lot of content is played.

Each combat style has different types of weapons - different attack speeds, different 'attack types' (slash vs stab for example), and one handed vs two handed. With this suggestion, you are effectively wishing to change the combat style of ranged to almost entirely '2 handed weapons only' - and that's a huge change.

The crossbow has its primary advantage in being a strong weapon that can be wielded with a shield - the only other ranged weapons that allow that would be darts or knives, which don't necessarily do as much damage on their own. There are already other incentives to use the other weapons at times - in more endgame scenarios, items like the blowpipe are regular go-to weapons. But there are times that it makes sense to use ranged with a shield, such as dragons or wyverns, or slayer monsters that require a mirror shield, such as cockatrice or basilisks, and this suggestion attempts to take away that ability.

I can't support this suggestion at all, sorry - it would have too much of an impact on the game, and part of the reason that Old School came to be was due to the changes in Combat back in late 2012 - I can't see fundamentally changing how the Ranged skill works being well received.

Sorry to hear you enjoy easy-scape.

28-Sep-2019 02:39:00

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Kegs said:
Applejuiceaj said:
[...]

Sorry to hear you enjoy easy-scape.


Kegs, I'm not quite certain you understand the way that I play Old School - I'd personally say I play as far away from easy-scape as one can get.

My comments are not concerning only 'endgame content' - I'm not at that point in-game anyway - I'm talking about all RuneScape content. The crossbow has been a 1 handed weapon since, well, as long as I can remember. When Old School came out in 2013 (as its re-release from 2007), the crossbow was a 1 handed weapon.

As an example, much of my current ranged experience came from training slayer. There were some tasks that I often did using ranged because I could safespot them. One of those tasks was blue dragons in Tavelrey dungeon, and I would do that task with a rune crossbow, however, I always made sure to bring an anti-dragon shield just in case I ran out too far when trying to target another dragon. If this were to be changed, I'd be much more likely to take accidental damage, even with an antifire potion.

All weapons in the game have a niche - it just seems wrong to take one's niche away entirely, and that is effectively what you are doing here. Its a major change to all parts of the game, impacting content both old and new.

28-Sep-2019 03:13:27

Kegs
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Applejuiceaj said:
Kegs said:
Applejuiceaj said:
[...]

Sorry to hear you enjoy easy-scape.


Kegs, I'm not quite certain you understand the way that I play Old School - I'd personally say I play as far away from easy-scape as one can get.

My comments are not concerning only 'endgame content' - I'm not at that point in-game anyway - I'm talking about all RuneScape content. The crossbow has been a 1 handed weapon since, well, as long as I can remember. When Old School came out in 2013 (as its re-release from 2007), the crossbow was a 1 handed weapon.

As an example, much of my current ranged experience came from training slayer. There were some tasks that I often did using ranged because I could safespot them. One of those tasks was blue dragons in Tavelrey dungeon, and I would do that task with a rune crossbow, however, I always made sure to bring an anti-dragon shield just in case I ran out too far when trying to target another dragon. If this were to be changed, I'd be much more likely to take accidental damage, even with an antifire potion.

All weapons in the game have a niche - it just seems wrong to take one's niche away entirely, and that is effectively what you are doing here. Its a major change to all parts of the game, impacting content both old and new.

Getting hit with damage from the dragons fire then would become actually part of the game and players would have to be much more careful or actually carry along food, or switch to anti-fire shield before running out there to collect the loot. Jagex didn't make the dragons have firey breath just so it does nothing, which would be the reason why Crossbows become 2 handed. There are other ways to kill dragons such as the lance. With my suggestion, I'm not saying to make the Crossbows weaker, not at all, just 2 handed.

28-Sep-2019 03:33:52

RupertGiles2

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That does weaken it because it would be impossible to do dragons with range. Yes they did deliberate make it possible to do dragons without taking damage. Look at mage. You can use an elemental staff and the anti dragon fire shield plus a anti dragon pot and take no damage at all.

28-Sep-2019 05:43:02 - Last edited on 28-Sep-2019 05:44:39 by RupertGiles2

Iron Ravi

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RupertGiles2 said:
That does weaken it because it would be impossible to do dragons with range. Yes they did deliberate make it possible to do dragons without taking damage. Look at mage. You can use an elemental staff and the anti dragon fire shield plus a anti dragon pot and take no damage at all.


Ever heard of an antifire potion with pray mage? Or a super antifire? It wouldn't be impossible. L2combat nubnub.
Ironman btw.

28-Sep-2019 06:12:02

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