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Ancient Drew

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He might be tier 3 or 4. A tier 2 god can 'make' life, but then again I think anything weaker could as well with enough power and the right skills and tools. Kerapac could infuse his lifeblood into eggs (something that many gods can't do), so I can't see any reason why Tumeken couldn't have been in possession of an Artefact that allowed him to infuse his power into Icthlarin and Amascut, then go ahead to create the other facets. It could be the Codex or Template, something he could carry on his person to do these things.

Codex - An ancient manuscript text in book form.

Template - A shaped piece of rigid material used as a pattern for processes such as cutting out, shaping or drilling.

By these definitions, the Codex is likely to be an Elder book of some sort. The Template seems to be something which is like a mould for working with anima in a specific way. Tumeken may have carried either one of those things assuming it's an Artefact we don't know about, and depending on their abilities (including whether the Template could change shape itself), it's possible that the Artefact had allowed him to focus his power more than he could on his own, allowing him to infuse his power into mortal beings such as the rest of the Pantheon.

And if Tumeken hadn't taken one with him, Elidinis may have found or had one herself. Jas told us about the Codex and Template, so the Template may have helped them make moulds of their power to infuse into Icthlarin and Amascut. Note that it was both Tumeken and Elidinis that created those two, so Tumeken couldn't have done that on his own, but he may or may not have done it with the avatars. They might have found the Artefact relatively close to the Heart.
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01-May-2017 21:38:21

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Frostcaping said:
I'm still most inclined to believe their creation didn't affect his power at all (as explained earlier), but regarding the current discussion: what about Icthlarin and Amascut?

If Tumeken lost some of his power in the creation of his four aspects, it has to be considered that the same would have happened with his two children -- just in tandem with Elidinis. If we're thinking he dropped a tier or whatever in this process, could she have originally been of a higher tier too?
Yeah, I think Icthlarin and Amascut were joint efforts on the part of Tumeken and Elidinis. It was likely with an Elder Artefact as well. Two tier 5s wouldn't be able to do something like that unless they were originally a higher tier or had an Artefact to help out. Kerapac is, I imagine, weaker than the gods by himself, but he has a ton of knowledge on the Artefacts and is able to infuse his lifeblood into eggs. That's something other gods can't do, so it's possible that infusing lifeblood is unique to Dragonkin only.

Another thing is that if Tumeken is tier 5 after creating Icthlarin and Amascut (they were apparently mortal animals infused with his and Elidinis' power, and the same may be said about the avatars), and blowing himself up, he might be somewhat like Guthix, wishing to leave his people to their devices while giving them advice on how to survive and be happy. This is shown further in what the avatars themselves represent; Crondis being frugality and modesty, Het symbolising physical health, Scabaras representing solitude and contemplation, and Apmeken representing humour and kindness. All of these things may be what he believes to be key to happiness for mortals, while Icthlarin lay them to rest when the time came for them to die, and Amascut was likely intended to give heroes and innocent people a second chance at life and resurrect them.
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02-May-2017 16:15:40 - Last edited on 02-May-2017 16:21:47 by Ancient Drew

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Gamez X said:
Thirdly lets look at jagex's usual pattern. Before the world wakes guthix was just some middle ground name people didnt take too seriously. Afterwards he's the most powerful being ever on the planet. Before prif nobody knew who seren or zaros where, few had even heard of them.
Prif was 2015. Zaros had been referenced since 2003 and had been heavily hyped up after that, and quite the number of people knew long ago that Guthix and Seren were the closest thing gods could be to a couple, save for Tumeken and Elidinis. I don't think "nobody ever heard of Seren or Zaros before Prif" is quite the phrase here; they had a massively long history that spanned over a decade before Prif.

As for Guthix, yes, he was a middle ground name, and people didn't take it seriously because the gods hadn't returned yet and politics didn't come to the fore until they did. But since it's been mentioned that Guthix banished the other gods according to GWD lore (this is from 2007), I would say it's long been established that he was among the most powerful beings in the history of the planet. We just never got any backstories on any of the gods until The World Wakes, which was 2013.
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03-May-2017 21:28:00

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^ That and Zaros had an empire which spanned a continent and beyond, which had been established in The Temple At Senntisten (2009), and it's been shown that Seren had a connection to the Anima Mundi (the gnomes actually calling her the divine aspect of the Anima Mundi, which although retconned does hold slightly true due to her being confirmed the divine aspect of light energy as of Fate of the Gods, which was in 2014). Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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