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Solanumtinkr

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Well being happy at slaughtering .....can't exactly call them helpless....they also want to kill everything with pointy teeth, even after the truce...anyway, finding joy in it might not be accurate, that does automatically mean someone is horrified by it either,

And those people in the jail are nothing short of a blood thirsty mob, even this far into the sixth age, it's still a kill'em all attitude. Which is why they are still locked up. While skipping mindless butchery at the time might have been nice, I might now have reconsidered a passive choice. If I have to keep on at both sides to stop any more mindless violence then so be it. I'll just join in and show the I am much better at it.
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15-Oct-2016 13:04:06 - Last edited on 15-Oct-2016 13:56:30 by Solanumtinkr

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ZAmorakZaros said:
Kittyphantom said:
I couldn't live with myself if I did that. I'm supposed to be a good guy; That's why when it comes to quest choices, I always endeavor to do the "right thing". And when it's not immediately apparent what the right thing would be, I spend time and effort thinking over it before deciding. Birthright of the Dwarves took me a whole weekend.

So no, I certainly didn't kill any of the prisoners there. And I don't think they were turned into vampires, either - Now when I pass through Meiyerditch (as I sometimes might when accompanying a friend doing the quests), citizens in Meiyerditch sometimes emote as they see me and say with yellow text how I saved their lives in Darkmeyer.

I don't think when I need to act. I spared them. And Veldaban. And killed Ikadia because she wanted. Gave grayzag to the hands of black knights. I usually spare whoever I can.


I also spare people whenever I can (I extend this even to not killing quest npcs in fight segments who I don't strictly have to kill, unless they'd kill some good guys/allies if I didn't). Didn't kill Ikadia, and Grayzag was put in jail by the Knights of Falador.

By choices that aren't immediately apparent, I mean things like the very final choice in Birthright of the Dwarves.
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15-Oct-2016 13:47:59

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I went postal. Why wouldn't I?

What's the difference between them and the innocent guardsmen of all varieties, and the generic men/women in the rest of the game?

A gate to enter, and that's it.

17-Oct-2016 06:31:34 - Last edited on 17-Oct-2016 06:32:04 by Urban Rave

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Kittyphantom said:
ZAmorakZaros said:
Kittyphantom said:
I couldn't live with myself if I did that. I'm supposed to be a good guy; That's why when it comes to quest choices, I always endeavor to do the "right thing". And when it's not immediately apparent what the right thing would be, I spend time and effort thinking over it before deciding. Birthright of the Dwarves took me a whole weekend.

So no, I certainly didn't kill any of the prisoners there. And I don't think they were turned into vampires, either - Now when I pass through Meiyerditch (as I sometimes might when accompanying a friend doing the quests), citizens in Meiyerditch sometimes emote as they see me and say with yellow text how I saved their lives in Darkmeyer.

I don't think when I need to act. I spared them. And Veldaban. And killed Ikadia because she wanted. Gave grayzag to the hands of black knights. I usually spare whoever I can.


I also spare people whenever I can (I extend this even to not killing quest npcs in fight segments who I don't strictly have to kill, unless they'd kill some good guys/allies if I didn't). Didn't kill Ikadia, and Grayzag was put in jail by the Knights of Falador.

By choices that aren't immediately apparent, I mean things like the very final choice in Birthright of the Dwarves.

On some cases I give people what they want or deserve. That is the case with Ikadia and Grayzag
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17-Oct-2016 09:22:36

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In Branches of Darkmeyer I ended up killing them, as I saw no other choice. I took no joy in it, but still I killed them.

In the Mahjarat questline, I killed Khazard when I first met him, I allowed Hazeel to live, I killed Lucien rather than give him the staff. In the Void knight series, I killed no one, even turning Grayzag over to the White Knights. Unless I see someone as an active threat, where allowing them to live will only bring ruin, I do not kill, not unless there is simply no other choice.

If given the choice between give the killing blow, or let them walk free, I will let someone walk, and face whatever consequences I must afterwards.
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17-Oct-2016 10:35:15

Kittyphantom
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@ZamorakZaros

What they "want" isn't necessarily what they really want, though. May have been in Ikadia's case (I remember her being quite cheery... She certainly had some "interesting" outlooks!), but the case of the ogre shaman from the Rise of the Red Axe quests comes to mind. I remember him being thankful after I spared him - His asking to die was in a moment of trauma/pain.

As for Grayzag, he was clearly not entirely mentally sound. You can't say a crazy person "deserves it", even if his actions did lead to death etc.
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19-Oct-2016 06:28:34

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Found I killed '42' and think I was able to do so because of my mood during that time plus maybe the determination to push on, not sure what it was. Might have been in a rush too?

Maybe stopped a bit but because I saw it more as a 'euthanasia' thing because it seemed death was better than the state they were in or they might as well have died instead of having to live through it.

I think I did the quest right when it came out? Can't remember? Its one of those moments that blanked out in my memory plus the fastest? I forgot about it pretty quick but remembered the revenge/boss fight against Vanstrom pretty fast?

TBH subconsciously I think I don't value overall 'human life' as much as certain animals(Like dogs), and those I feel for/mean something to me because of the nature of overall humanity I think. Might help next time in pushing us to try to be more good in our choices or ethical if they made the NPCs more capable of relating to instead of just people who look the same and say the same lines.

With grayzag, enraged at what he did and not only that but his character/attitude right infront of me, I was convinced being captured/detained or simply executed was not enough to make him feel the pain of what he did. Only Daquarius was fit for that job, in order to make Grayzag feel the impact of his actions which he refuses to. If he showed redeeming and remorseful character plus explained I might very well have just let him go/follow Sir Amik Varze. Punishment inflicted based on a calculation of everything he did added up AND his character at that moment. A serial killer who fully enjoys what they did with no shred of remorse NEEDS the worst punishment in order to make them feel the extent of the pain they caused.
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19-Oct-2016 12:52:21 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2016 13:22:45 by Padomenes

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Solanumtinkr said:
Well being happy at slaughtering .....can't exactly call them helpless....they also want to kill everything with pointy teeth, even after the truce...anyway, finding joy in it might not be accurate, that does automatically mean someone is horrified by it either,

And those people in the jail are nothing short of a blood thirsty mob, even this far into the sixth age, it's still a kill'em all attitude. Which is why they are still locked up. While skipping mindless butchery at the time might have been nice, I might now have reconsidered a passive choice. If I have to keep on at both sides to stop any more mindless violence then so be it. I'll just join in and show the I am much better at it.
These people do not need to be responded to with violence and its understandable they lived under conditions where they constantly starved potentially almost to death + were beaten and abused. Also they would be like that rightfully so as some vyres still have not changed. Its been done to them for centuries.

At most they need rehabilitation from understanding people and not violence or being jailed. Remember, its not their fault they are like that. Some of those vyres who did the bad things still need to be trialed/punished before they can regain their trust in them.
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19-Oct-2016 16:41:44 - Last edited on 19-Oct-2016 16:45:19 by Padomenes

Solanumtinkr

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It seems that in such situations certain attitudes are passed down like a congenital disease. The hard part is making a clean and total break from that, otherwise the violence will carry on for millennia without any concrete idea as to why. As things get embellished over time, forgotten or twisted. The purpose of adventure is to shine light into dark places,
Poke monsters with a sharp stick, Then steal anything that isn't nailed down!
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19-Oct-2016 18:22:52

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